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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:19 PM Aug 2014

Medical Examiner Rules Eric Garner's Death a Homicide, Says He Was Killed By Chokehold

Source: NBC 4 New York

The city medical examiner has ruled the death of Eric Garner, the 43-year-old father whose death in police custody sparked national outrage, a homicide, saying a chokehold killed him.

The medical examiner said compression of the neck and chest, along with his positioning on the ground while being restrained by police, caused his death.

Garner's acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease were contributing factors, the medical examiner determined.

Read more: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Eric-Garner-Chokehold-Police-Custody-Cause-of-Death-Staten-Island-Medical-Examiner-269396151.html

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Medical Examiner Rules Eric Garner's Death a Homicide, Says He Was Killed By Chokehold (Original Post) cal04 Aug 2014 OP
Any wagers on whether the cop gets indicted? I'll take "no." Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #1
I say yes because Al Sharpton is on the case hard bigdarryl Aug 2014 #3
He will be despite Sharpton being involved. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #27
Law Enforcement Mr.Bill Aug 2014 #5
On the street yeah but not bigdarryl Aug 2014 #7
But first you get a paid vacation. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #11
And the bigger the crime, Mr.Bill Aug 2014 #13
Hmmm? SummerSnow Aug 2014 #29
Let's see how they defend this bigdarryl Aug 2014 #2
Justifiable homicide. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #4
Those cigarette sellers are a menace!!!!!! riqster Aug 2014 #6
OK, if its a homicide, then SOMEONE should be charged with murder. 7962 Aug 2014 #8
For some reason it was collectively decided that Police Officers are above most laws Dragonfli Aug 2014 #9
DA's need cops to secure convictions. There should be a separate body that prosecutes cops. Ed Suspicious Aug 2014 #14
Where I live there have been several cops sent to jail for a lot less. 7962 Aug 2014 #16
Wow, I wish I lived where you do. /nt Dragonfli Aug 2014 #18
Yep, they just put away 3 for crooked activities while on duty, 7962 Aug 2014 #36
Here's an example from todays paper; 10 officers sentenced to fed. prison 7962 Aug 2014 #38
There should have been some breaking news on his arrest. SummerSnow Aug 2014 #30
The only people that are going to be charged and convicted SwankyXomb Aug 2014 #35
Police are now judges. And executioners. nt Ilsa Aug 2014 #10
Police are now the executioners, but it's the States Attorneys who are now the judges. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #25
Interesting...... BronxBoy Aug 2014 #12
Still trying to see "resisting" from what I've viewed. nt 7962 Aug 2014 #17
I think any time you don't say "yes sir" to a cop passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #21
wow, someone here thought that? BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #22
Yes... BronxBoy Aug 2014 #28
vomit. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #31
I predict Cop will get off. Scot free. And with back pay. Any wagers on this bet??? blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #15
Ordinarily I'd agree with you.... BronxBoy Aug 2014 #32
With the clear video of him using a choke hold I don't think he will. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #34
pigs lark Aug 2014 #19
But the cops will be cleared. blackspade Aug 2014 #20
I think he gets indicted Starcats Aug 2014 #23
The cop may be indicted sakabatou Aug 2014 #24
For those that haven't yet seen the videos... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #26
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #33
I think the pigs were scared of the fellow & afraid for their tiny spines...even with a pistol in each holster asfore_goblins Aug 2014 #37

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
5. Law Enforcement
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:49 PM
Aug 2014

The only job in America where you can kill someone and the worst that can happen is you get fired.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
6. Those cigarette sellers are a menace!!!!!!
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:52 PM
Aug 2014

Add in the sassing back to a cop, and the danger to society was clear.

Yes,

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
8. OK, if its a homicide, then SOMEONE should be charged with murder.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:31 PM
Aug 2014

And they damn well better do it soon. I watched that video enough times.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
9. For some reason it was collectively decided that Police Officers are above most laws
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:38 PM
Aug 2014

most of the time.

District Attorneys all over the country appear to be AOK with that. I think the only thing that can be realistically done is to pursue a civil case. It is an unwritten exception to our laws, so I can't post the exact rules of when Cops can actually be charged with breaking the laws they do, but it would appear to only be allowed in very rare exceptions.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
14. DA's need cops to secure convictions. There should be a separate body that prosecutes cops.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:59 PM
Aug 2014

An internal affairs court that is beholden to us to police them. If this is an inherently adversarial system, we need a system that works for the people.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
16. Where I live there have been several cops sent to jail for a lot less.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 05:12 PM
Aug 2014

I hope they do something. No jury looking at that tape will agree that the guy was a threat, IMO.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
36. Yep, they just put away 3 for crooked activities while on duty,
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:26 PM
Aug 2014

and just two days ago arrested one for propositioning a minor.

QuestForSense

(653 posts)
25. Police are now the executioners, but it's the States Attorneys who are now the judges.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:09 PM
Aug 2014

Only roughly 5% of all police brutality cases are ever brought to court. The stats are non-existent for the 'alleged' homicides.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
12. Interesting......
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:52 PM
Aug 2014

There was a poster here who screamed far and wide that Mr. Garner died from a heart attack and basically got what he deserved because he resisted arrest. I'm looking forward to reading his commentary in light of these new facts

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
21. I think any time you don't say "yes sir" to a cop
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 05:28 PM
Aug 2014

and hold your hands out willingly for the cuffs, you are considered "resisting". But that's not human nature and cops should be trained to deal with humans, not robots.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
22. wow, someone here thought that?
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 05:31 PM
Aug 2014

How could anyone see any threat whatsoever in Mr. Garner's behavior? There was nothing intimidating in his demeanor. He was clearly doing everything possible to NOT intimidate, while attempting to speak about fair treatment.

another tragedy.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
28. Yes...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:43 PM
Aug 2014

Not only thought it but openly advocated that point of view and was quick to tell other posters about it when they voiced their opinion about the lawlessness of the police actions.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
31. vomit.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:48 PM
Aug 2014

Glad I missed it. That video broke my heart.....

Ok I admit it, I'm curious who. :/ eh, never mind.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
32. Ordinarily I'd agree with you....
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:57 PM
Aug 2014

But this guy has already been cited and has cost the city money in another suit. They might serve him up as a sacrificial lamb

Starcats

(19 posts)
23. I think he gets indicted
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 05:36 PM
Aug 2014

ME ruled it a homicide. Choke holds have been illegal for police use for decades. That being said, the murder of Garner is on video. Public outcry. This is a public relations nightmare for NYPD. An example will be made of Officer Pantaleo, the murdering cop. NYPD, the DA and the DOJ know that brushing this one under the rug could result in massive civil unrest. And deservedly so. That's what they fear and that's why I have a gut feeling this case becomes the NYPD's comeuppance for all the brutality they've swept aside for years.

37. I think the pigs were scared of the fellow & afraid for their tiny spines...even with a pistol in each holster
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:17 PM
Aug 2014
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