So it's doubly so.

Why would you think that is? Obviously you believe it. Why do you feel that they hate Israel?

who doesn't believe what they do..

No apologists have ever explained to me why it is that they think most of the rest of the civilized world hates Israel. All I ever get from you defenders is non answers such as yours.

I was simply stating that it appears ISIS pretty much hates everyone (so I imagine that would include Israel)

you just called me an apologist (for what, I have no idea), .
I did not defend or apologize for anything, I was talking about the hateful behavior of ISIS!

replying to a question I asked of another poster. Beats me why you did though? But yeah I can see why I would be the one with a problem.

You have a nice day now.

I asked a question of a person making a claim that a large portion of the world hates Israel. There must be a reason for that sort of thinking.

So if there are no reasons given to justify the claim, I am unable to accept it as valid i.e. not true.

Because they are "non believers". They massacre members of their OWN religion just for worshipping slightly different than they do, so its a logical assumption that they would also murder someone who is nothing like them.
But they've been asked and they would love to "liberate palestine" even using nuclear weapons, which they say they have access to. So theres your answer.

I meant ISIS hates Israel.

Maybe Iran and Israel should handle this.

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A huge outpouring of grief and sympathy....

Israel could handle it but there will be the usual screaming of genocide and land grab.

Why do think Israel should deal with this?

What's the benefit ti Israel?

someone should do something.

Even saying that their flag will fly over the White House one day. And they've BEEN saying it for years.

of several infantry divisions....

I promise I'll start to give a shit.

They dont have to have a navy. They've got numbers and they're using them. Just read their own words; there's plenty of examples like the clip I posted. They teach their children the same. Take a good look at Europe and whats happening there.

We've got enough problems at home to work on.

This massacre is particularly horrifying, but they've been terrorizing minorities and Iraqis in general for a while.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/iraqis-displaced-isis-attacks-sinjar-desperate-aid-2014-08-05

Thanks for the thread, oberliner.

BAGHDAD — Stranded on a barren mountaintop, thousands of minority Iraqis are faced with a bleak choice: descend and risk slaughter at the hands of the encircled Sunni extremists or sit tight and risk dying of thirst.

Humanitarian agencies said Tuesday that between 10,000 and 40,000 civilians remain trapped on Mount Sinjar since being driven out of surrounding villages and the town of Sinjar two days earlier. But the mountain that had looked like a refuge is becoming a graveyard for their children.

Unable to dig deep into the rocky mountainside, displaced families said they have buried young and elderly victims of the harsh conditions in shallow graves, their bodies covered with stones. Iraqi government planes attempted to airdrop bottled water to the mountain on Monday night but reached few of those marooned.

“There are children dying on the mountain, on the roads,” said Marzio Babille, the Iraq representative for the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF). “There is no water, there is no vegetation, they are completely cut off and surrounded by Islamic State. It’s a disaster, a total disaster.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iraqi-yazidis-stranded-on-isolated-mountaintop-begin-to-die-of-thirst/2014/08/05/57cca985-3396-41bd-8163-7a52e5e72064_story.html

Who are the people that thought it was a good idea to overthrow Assad's secular government by assisting religious terrorists in Syria? Well, it is many of the same people in the US that support Israel's brutality against the Palestinians.

Without all of the Israel worshipers in the US the ME would likely be very different. US support of the terrorists that are currently destroying Syria and Iraq is driven by the Israel lobby. They want to weaken all of Israel's neighbors, and the terrorists from Syria are achieving that.

The very same lobby is pushing the unjustified sanctions against Iran.

This is Israel and the Israeli lobby's fault because they supported the US in the Iraq invasion even though the war actually created a more unstable environment for Israel and there's no proof Israel actually supported the war and actually did not advocate for the war either publicly or behind the scenes.

But hey, some of the neo-cons who led the US to war were Jewish so...its Israel's fault ISIS murdered children!1!!1!

It is the fault of the people who have been causing chaos in the Middle East for decades. Israel has contributed to the chaos in the Middle East just as much as any Western country.

So yeah, If the shoe fits Cinderella, wear it.

This is fucking ridiculous. People will always find a way to blame Israel for anything. Even if its not directly related to Israel, blame those evil "Israel lobbies" because they MUST be the root cause of all the world's problems.

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

Right-wing Israel supporters have lead the push to overthrow Assad. Other war supporters in the US latch on to the right-wing Israel supporters. Together they cause a lot of harm.

That was a big part of of our unprovoked attack against Iraq, though a number of other interests beyond Israel were also important. As far as our targeting Syria and Assad, Israel supporters are by far the main reason he is the target. Other pro-war interest also latch on, since war is what they love.

The sanctions on Iran are almost exclusively due to the Israel lobby.

The neocon fantasy hit list included Iraq, Iran, and Syria. These are/were the most powerful nations in the region that aren't/weren't under US influence and control, and were minor challenges to Israel's hegemony.

America's total support for Israel's brutal aggressions against the Palestinians proves that the Israel lobby is powerful. That can't be rationally denied. No government official has the guts to oppose them. That's tragic.

Israel did NOT support overthrowing Saddam's government. They were not part of the 2003 coalition and actually said behind the scenes that they didn't care about Iraq because they had other issues.

But don't let facts get in the way of your wild conspiracies.

Iran and Syria perhaps?

In 2003, Israel was dealing with Hezbollah firing artillery
from Lebanon. They were trying to defend against Palestinian suicide bombers.

They bombed a Hamas training camp in Syria which drew a sharp global backlash.

But nothing with Iran. Sorry to debunk your conspiracy.

I made sure to state that it is Israel supporters in the US that support these wars. Iraq was the easiest sell since the US had a history with Iraq that included the first Gulf War, and it was easier to assemble a coalition of various pro-war interests.

Did Cheney really give too much of a shit about Israel?: probably not. He was a war profiteer, just like so many other high-level supporters of that war. But joining with the right-wing Israel lobby, it was a far easier sell.

After Iraq, Israel supporters wanted to target nations such as Iran and Syria, which were much more Israel's concern. Netanyahu is pushing hard for US action against Iran, which would be totally unjustified. I don't think he will get his war, but US supporters of Israel got sanctions passed.

You were saying?

http://www.juancole.com/2013/03/israelis-remember-urged.html

The Israeli leadership, including Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, will attempt to strong-arm President Barack Obama, during his visit to Israel, into attacking Iran. (In part this noise about Iran is to deflect attention from the vast Israeli land grab in the Palestinian West Bank). It is now often forgotten, and even denied, that the then Israeli leadership was also a huge cheering section for the disastrous Iraq War. Netanyahu in particular wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed in late 2002 entitled “The Case for Toppling Saddam.” The Israeli officials of the time were unanimous that Saddam Hussein was within months of having a nuclear weapon (Iraq’s nuclear enrichment program was mothballed in 1991).

President Obama should keep in mind, while in Israel, these passages from John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt’s Israel Lobby:

“On August 16, 2002, eleven days before Vice President Cheney kicked off the campaign for war with a hard‐line speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Washington Post reported that “Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein.140 By this point, according to Sharon, strategic coordination between Israel and the U.S. had reached “unprecedented dimensions,” and Israeli intelligence officials had given Washington a variety of alarming reports about Iraq’s WMD programs.141 As one retired Israeli general later put it, “Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq’s non‐conventional capabilities.”142

Israeli leaders were deeply distressed when President Bush decided to seek U.N. Security Council authorization for war in September, and even more worried when Saddam agreed to let U.N. inspectors back into Iraq, because these developments seemed to reduce the likelihood of war. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres told reporters in September 2002 that “the campaign against Saddam Hussein is a must. Inspections and inspectors are good for decent people, but dishonest people can overcome easily inspections and inspectors.”143

At the same time, former Prime Minister Ehud Barak wrote a New York Times op‐ed warning that “the greatest risk now lies in inaction.”144 His predecessor, Benjamin Netanyahu, published a similar piece in the Wall Street Journal entitled “The Case for Toppling Saddam.”>145 Netanyahu declared, “Today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do,” adding that “I believe I speak for the overwhelming majority of Israelis in supporting a pre‐emptive strike against Saddam’s regime.” Or as Ha’aretz reported in February 2003: “The [Israeli] military and political leadership yearns for war in Iraq.”146 But as Netanyahu suggests, the desire for war was not confined to Israel’s leaders. Apart from Kuwait, which Saddam conquered in 1990, Israel was the only country in the world where both the politicians and the public enthusiastically favored war.147 As journalist Gideon Levy observed at the time, “Israel is the only country in the West whose leaders support the war unreservedly and where no alternative opinion is voiced.”148 In fact, Israelis were so gung‐ho for war that their allies in America told them to damp down their hawkish rhetoric, lest it look like the war was for Israel.

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Many more foot-noted sources at the link.

That article is from early 2013 so presumably Israel has gotten us to attack Iran repeatedly since then as the article predicts.

The point of the post was to refute a poster who claimed that Israel had nothing to do with the US going into Iraq.

I shouldn't have bothered engaging in this conversation.

I am very much anti conspiracy theory. I don't believe in any of that conspiracy nonsense concerning 9/11, Kennedy, anti-vaxx or whatever else.

But I do believe corruption is a major problem in the US Government. That is very different than CT. Corruption is out in the open. There is no super secret cabal that controls our lives.

It is important to know the motivations of government officials and why they do what they do. That is why I knew the excuses for the Iraq War were BS. It wasn't because I believed in some crazy conspiracy theory, but I also know the the intentions of US officials aren't always pure.

http://www.juancole.com/2013/03/israelis-remember-urged.html

As Israelis Press Obama on Iran, Let’s Remember they Urged Iraq War, Too
By Juan Cole | Mar. 20, 2013 |

The Israeli leadership, including Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, will attempt to strong-arm President Barack Obama, during his visit to Israel, into attacking Iran. (In part this noise about Iran is to deflect attention from the vast Israeli land grab in the Palestinian West Bank). It is now often forgotten, and even denied, that the then Israeli leadership was also a huge cheering section for the disastrous Iraq War. Netanyahu in particular wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed in late 2002 entitled “The Case for Toppling Saddam.” The Israeli officials of the time were unanimous that Saddam Hussein was within months of having a nuclear weapon (Iraq’s nuclear enrichment program was mothballed in 1991).

President Obama should keep in mind, while in Israel, these passages from John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt’s Israel Lobby:

“On August 16, 2002, eleven days before Vice President Cheney kicked off the campaign for war with a hard‐line speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Washington Post reported that “Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein.140 By this point, according to Sharon, strategic coordination between Israel and the U.S. had reached “unprecedented dimensions,” and Israeli intelligence officials had given Washington a variety of alarming reports about Iraq’s WMD programs.141 As one retired Israeli general later put it, “Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq’s non‐conventional capabilities.”142

Israeli leaders were deeply distressed when President Bush decided to seek U.N. Security Council authorization for war in September, and even more worried when Saddam agreed to let U.N. inspectors back into Iraq, because these developments seemed to reduce the likelihood of war. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres told reporters in September 2002 that “the campaign against Saddam Hussein is a must. Inspections and inspectors are good for decent people, but dishonest people can overcome easily inspections and inspectors.”143

At the same time, former Prime Minister Ehud Barak wrote a New York Times op‐ed warning that “the greatest risk now lies in inaction.”144 His predecessor, Benjamin Netanyahu, published a similar piece in the Wall Street Journal entitled “The Case for Toppling Saddam.”>145 Netanyahu declared, “Today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do,” adding that “I believe I speak for the overwhelming majority of Israelis in supporting a pre‐emptive strike against Saddam’s regime.” Or as Ha’aretz reported in February 2003: “The [Israeli] military and political leadership yearns for war in Iraq.”146 But as Netanyahu suggests, the desire for war was not confined to Israel’s leaders. Apart from Kuwait, which Saddam conquered in 1990, Israel was the only country in the world where both the politicians and the public enthusiastically favored war.147 As journalist Gideon Levy observed at the time, “Israel is the only country in the West whose leaders support the war unreservedly and where no alternative opinion is voiced.”148 In fact, Israelis were so gung‐ho for war that their allies in America told them to damp down their hawkish rhetoric, lest it look like the war was for Israel.

And not just a small excerpt either!