propaganda designed to manipulate.

and my real work load is now almost double what it was 6 years ago, while my colleagues are dropping like flies as their jobs go to India.

Now, as I am working my ass off for less money and fewer benefits and civil rights, my only hope is that there is a political process that agrees with the principals I have no longer have any time to fight for. A few of these are as follows:

- torture is wrong and should be punished to send a strong message that abuse will not be tolerated in future.

- wall street crime is wrong and should be punished to send a strong message that abuse will not be tolerated in future.

- H1Bs and trade agreements are killing the US workforce, replacing American workers with compliant, low wage labor without workplace protections.

- 100% reliance on corporate influence for legislative polices

- etc, etc, etc

But for me to say I am a Democrat, it means I have to give up these principals and am not permitted to express horror at the direction of the party as it moves further and further away from these principals because... let me be clear

BECAUSE IF I DO EXPRESS HORROR AT THE SHIT POLICIES OF THE CORPORATE DEMOCRATICS, SOME HALL MONITOR FROM THE SAFETY PATROL CALLS ME A TROLL BECAUSE REAL DEMOCRATS CANNOT POSSIBLY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS IT EXISTS TODAY WHICH IS SOOOOO MUCH BETTER FOR AMERICA THAN THAT OLD SHITTY DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF FDR.

So, you see, I am paying attention. A lot of us are paying attention. We are watching winning an election become more important than challenging our corporate masters and improving the quality of life for the other 99%.

So being a Democrat means I have to support torture, spying, accept that rich corporations and corrupt institutions will never be held accountable for criminal activity.

But on abortion and gay rights, Democrats are still on the right side of things. So, as a Democrat I am expected to fight for those things. Meanwhile, the cost of raising a family is to the point where only the rich can really afford it.

Yes, I am paying attention, watching the Democratic Party move farther and farther away from the middle class and below.

.. rw bullshite. Designed to Discourage and suppress the vote.

n/t

I don't believe these numbers.

This just sounds like an attempt to instill apathy to keep people from voting.

"Nobody likes the government and they don't want to vote.... why should you?"

Remember, the disapproval includes both roughly 50 percent Republicans, who completely don't like him, and the rest 8-9% of liberals, who are dissatisfied with his conservative positions on issues, his tax cuts for the rich, him making inheritance taxes permanent, and his corporate appointments to cabinet positions, and just his general lack of liberal policies. So there is that.

AND even more, or at least just as important, the media reports on his approval rating, and the media CREATES his approval rating. This is another case of the media reporting on something they helped create, much like the war in Iraq, that MSNBC now pretends to have been completely against, when other than Donahue, they were all jumping right into it before it began.

It's kind of disingenuous to basically say "Look, his approval rate is low," when you know you are responsible for making it so low, don't you think?

What does Rachel Maddow have to do with this poll? Please explain. I mean if it's because she has a show on MSNBC which is owned by NBC so we should just trust anything that comes out of NBC.... we can extend that logic to Rachel Maddow and NBC are both on the TV therefore everything on TV is related to Rachel Maddow.... is that what you mean?

...but neither should you reflexively "distrust" NBC because "we all know" they're part of "corporate media".

Perhaps instead you should actually research the polling, which took all of 10 minutes. Hart Research is run by Peter Hart, who been a Democratic supporter for years.

Perhaps. as well, you should ask if the findings are consistent with other data. Are you of the opinion that President Obama IS phenomenally popular and that the electorate is happy with where the country is going? I haven't seen any sign of that in awhile. I don't dispute that most of the blame falls on House Republicans, but the average voter looks at Washington and doesn't see the distinction.

designed to discourage voters.. quotes mostly all plucked from the brainwashed..

With a big sign in the pic at the link.. "Don't Believe the Liberal Media", "Government Spending out of Control" all fox "news" shit..

From SM's link..

•“Impeach Obama,” said a female Republican from Ohio.

•“Republicans and Congress, do your job,” countered a male Democrat from Kentucky.

•“Close the borders,” added a Republican-leaning female from Massachusetts.

•“Stop bombing people in Ukraine and Gaza and Israel,” said a male Democrat from Texas.

•“Our government needs an overhaul,” said a female independent from Florida.

All bullshit from Bullshit Mountain except the Dem from Kentucky seems to be living in reality.. and NBC is reporting it like it means something. Designed to Discourage.. how they doin?

P.S. Where the hell is the male Dem from Texas getting his news?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=864375

Vote for Obama

Let a teabagger House be voted in

Vote for Obama

Let a teabagger House stay, and let a teabagger Senate be voted in?


As always, I blame lazy Obama voters and disinterested Youth voters.

Because many see it as voting for Tweedledum or Tweedledee.
And many of the democrats look and sound like the GOP with few addressing the issues that effect the voter.
We could change that, but money in politics will not allow it.

they're not seeing things clearly.

Even if you live in a red, red state, where the Democrat has to espouse pretty conservative policies, the whiney-baby T & T argument still doesn't hold: that conservadem contributes to the majority, and holding the majority in either or both the Senate and House is a Big Effing Deal, and makes a real difference.

I used to do a lot of door-to-door canvassing, and the most annoying people were the ones who'd open the door and say, "I'm not voting; it won't make a difference"; or "All the politicians are the same"; or "None of them is going to do anything that I need" (usually something completely stupid that politicians have no control over anyway). These people always had the air of deadbeats, and I'd thank them and then say to myself I'm glad they're not voting.

So continue with the boring Tweedledum defense, but it's a copout. Nothing will ever happen with that attitude.

It seems to me that is exactly the type of person you should be looking for, not the ones that will agree with you that R bad D good...they will probably vote unless some liberal pisses them off...and you will never convince the Conservative at all.

But that is the problem as I see it...we write off the south and give it to the GOP...and never run a democrat that offers a populist message that the "deadbeats" may just like.
We are not playing to win but to hold the line.

But look at from the "deadbeats" POV...we elected a president that promised change and hope...and we got neither...so why should they care about Democrats?

Believe me, it will change your view of a lot of things, especially the issues people really care about, which are in general very bread and butter, sometimes very poignant: health care, jobs, etc.

The "deadbeats" I was talking of were people who told me they wouldn't vote because, for example, no politician could help their problem, which was getting their kid to stop listening to rap music (I agreed with him that they couldn't and wouldn't, d'oh, but spent 45 minutes talking to him about education issues and the role of government in general); or another because his ex-wife wouldn't let him see their son enough (WTF? He just didn't get anything at all, and yet still--unlike most of the posters here, who are pontificating about getting people riled up--I actually spent time with this man, trying to gently lure him into the idea of becoming engaged with the voting public as a way to improve his [sad] life; it was hopeless.)

The chasm between real life versus writing on the Internet is vast. If you want to effect change you need to actually connect with the people who need changing. I've done that--volunteered hundreds of hours, walked hundreds of blocks, and driven hundreds of miles to do it. Have you?

But I did what I could to get Obama elected the first time, which may not be as much as you did...and the change I thought would happen never did.

And you have to understand that there are others that see it that way too...they wanted real change and did not get it. So you are a salesman trying to sell something that people have gotten burned on before...so don't be surprised to get the dore slammed on your foot.
And even if they talk to you what do you have to sell them?...more of the wishy washy promises of a politician?....or fear of the bad cop?

If you don't have a product people trust you will find few takers...and trust has been badly eroded in this country...and Democrats have played their role in it, just by letting the right wingers get buy with all kinds of shit and not standing on principles.

But good luck to you, and I wish I was able to do what you are doing.

Do we want to go back to losing 750,000 jobs per month or
gaining 250,000 per month?

What do they expect Obama to do when they elect a congress that refuses to work with him and if Republicans take the senate
it will get worse.

If people think things are bad now with economy just Imagine republicans using budget to force cuts In Social security,SSI,Medicare,medicaid,food stamps,disabilty,and unemployment.Yet will be calling on Obama to get involved In foregine crisis.

Those who cry about taxes and Spending forget things they pay for.

If there Is a total Republican congress come january the ignorance of those who do vote for republicans will be proven,and they deserve
what they get.

Here In Missouri because of redistricting I am In a republican district now but i will make sure come november I vote fro democrat running for the house even though he will lose.Just like I voted against amendent allowing people to carry guns everywhere.

The tea party and their masters the Koch Brothers are winning.They are tearing down Obama's numbers even though their numbers
are in toliet too.

"Hart cautions that Americans still are unlikely to storm the polls......" Who the fuck is Hart and who cares what he thinks?"

Once again the corporate media pulls out all the stops to prevent people from storming them polls, the one thing the 1% fear most, the unlikely voter awakening to the power of their vote, the one thing they can never, never own,

Freaking media is the number 1 enemy of the people, the way this poll has been twisted and distorted with polluting personal opinion makes it so obvious.

"Obama three times more popular than Congress, Democrats way ahead of Republicans", that could
have been the headline also.

Why pick out the opinion by this Hart fellow, why the incendiary headline attacking Obama?

Fucking obvious they are.

A Democratic pollster, which would be easy enough to learn if you weren't starting from the presupposition that all media polling is biased. I recall that approach didn't work out too well for the Republicans in 2012.

You will vote for whoever the powers/money that be selected.

The democratic system is deliberately broken. Using the system to fix the system will not work. Only a massive revolt could break up the corrupt control and that will not happen. Yeah ...I will send out my zombie vote via mail in ballot like usual but I am not fooled that it will really change/fix/repair what needs to be changed/fixed/repaired.

It will take a major social upheaval to change things. A 90% vote rate would be that upheaval. Civil war would be that upheaval. But ... until then, or the aliens land, it will always be more of the same. It is a pain in the ass to run a Democracy but the people just do not want to do it. So many simple things that if done, in mass, would end the madness.

I will vote, but until almost everyone else votes with me I am under no delusions either. However, as we saw in 2010, NOT voting is like taking away the dike. Right now, all we can do is hold things at bay for as long as we can in the hopes that others will realize that the Matrix is not the place they really want to be.

you do realize you're echoing Cliven Bundy's talking points, right?

I do not know when it will happen.
I do not know what will finally set it off.
But sooner or later . . .

..... has been for the BEST choice of presented candidates.

Not the PERFECT choice.... which does't exist.

what you plan to do?

You can't really complain if you're doing the same thing everyone else is doing...

Unemployment is much improved. More people, not less, have health insurance. Most people don't want new wars or engagement in conflicts, and Obama has largely kept to that principle. What "direction" do they want to go in? Why are they "fed up" with success?

The American media is a disgusting cesspool of deflection and pessimism.

Presidency by all means possible, thus making people lose faith in Democrats, government, and the political process. They rub their hands in glee at this headline, and NBC is stupid enough to give it to them.

the GOP hates all voters, they hate you for voting,they hate your mother and children for voting, they hate your democratic rights, they hate the troops for preserving your right to vote.

"Now what ya gonna do about it, sucker?"

Shouldn't we be focusing on that instead.

If Congress did their fucking jobs this country wouldn't be the shithole that it is right now.

nt

facts. No matter, they can't change the fact that he keeps on going. He was elected twice...PERIOD!!

... Which of the following statements about the economic problems facing the country best describe your point of view: (ROTATE)*

These are mostly problems with the inability of elected officials in Washington
to get things done to help improve the economy ................................................. 71
...

It's very common for a President to hit his lowest approval rating at this point in his presidency.

simply ask people at the grocery store what they think of Obama and Congress. And there is a wide background of people at the grocery store in southern california these days. I won't post my results because of the resultant flame. But it's not good... Silver may be right this time. Now, with Warner's stance on Israel, I am without a Democratic candidate for president and an looking again.

total discontent with Obama and Dems.

It feels like we are dead in the water.

Dems are continually standing up and making impassioned speeches against GOP obstruction and injustice.

But on the boob tube you will only hear what the loony outrageous Repugs have to say.

Unless of course you watch C-Span 24/7

in 2016 He still beats the pants off of congress..

Is it just me, or is the economy better then it was 1/2009?

1. I remember at that time we were losing 700,000 jobs a month, now we have had many months of job growth, yes I admit, these are all not engineering jobs, but also take into account, there are many jobs going unfilled every month because of untrained workers. Free education or low cost education is a key for job growth....

2. This administration has successfully cut the deficit several times....

3. Remember Iraq and Afganistan...yeah me too...we are still paying for that

4. Remember the big tax cut for wealthy.....yeah me too...we are still paying for that

5. Remember Ted Cruz and the govt shutdown, and the layoffs and cuts.....we are still paying for that....

I usually don't have faith in polls, but I think this President has done a fantastic job with what he has been given...

the past month his numbers would be up significantly.

Americans seem to want to support Irael no matter what and seem to support he GOP on foreign policy given obama's 36% approval on
foreign policy.

Things are going to be screwed In this country due to public stupidity

Well, that's too damn bad. We are getting exactly what we deserve as long as we keep voting Republicans into office.

especially:

People see one family living under one roof, secure retirement, and free time getting less and less even though the economy is getting better.

It's hard to think things are swell while realizing you'll never retire.

along with their willing dupes, whether paid or not, even on liberal websites such as DU.

I would want to see the actual questions asked. This could well be propaganda.

for you???

So, it's surprising to me that his numbers are still even close to the 40's.

I mean, I didn't think anyone would still approve of him after he couldn't even stop the Sharknado.

please see my above post where I laid it all out.. if you have time.