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kpete

(72,005 posts)
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 04:54 PM Aug 2014

Bold Obama Stand Shakes Up Net Neutrality Debate

Source: Huffington Post

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Obama campaigned heavily on net neutrality during his 2008 election, but has been largely silent on the issue since the FCC voted to kill it with new Internet service rules that would create "fast lanes" for content providers that can afford to pay for them; those that can't will be hit with slower traffic.

Obama echoed one of progressives' major criticisms of the new rules at the U.S. Africa Business Forum in Washington on Wednesday, saying he is in favor of "an open and fair Internet."

"One of the issues around net neutrality is whether you are creating different rates or charges for different content providers. That’s the big controversy here," he said. "You have big, wealthy media companies who might be willing to pay more but then also charge more for more spectrum, more bandwidth on the Internet so they can stream movies faster or what have you. And I personally -- the position of my administration, as well as I think a lot of companies here is you don’t want to start getting a differentiation in how accessible the Internet is to various users."

The president said an open Internet will allow for "the next Google or the next Facebook" to enter the arena, and succeed.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/06/obama-net-neutrality_n_5655862.html

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Bold Obama Stand Shakes Up Net Neutrality Debate (Original Post) kpete Aug 2014 OP
An open internet will let small entreprenurial websites succeed. djean111 Aug 2014 #1
I am used to Obama saying things I like to hear. upaloopa Aug 2014 #3
Yeah, MyOwnPeace Aug 2014 #20
That is always my hope. I hope he backs up upaloopa Aug 2014 #22
My exact thoughts. He has told me what I wanted to hear so many times that now, when he GoneFishin Aug 2014 #33
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2014 #2
Words are meaningless Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #4
Yep. Be interesting to see what actually happens, considering who he appointed to actually djean111 Aug 2014 #5
THAT action Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #7
Yup BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #18
Can you spell rhetoric? rhett o rick Aug 2014 #38
Why, that stinking, might-as-well-be-a-repub whore... riqster Aug 2014 #6
He is talking the talk, but walking the walk is another question with JDPriestly Aug 2014 #9
True. "may". riqster Aug 2014 #11
Perhaps. n/t xocet Aug 2014 #52
He didn't use the right words, should have JoePhilly Aug 2014 #23
That's about right. riqster Aug 2014 #24
This is promising. But Obama sometimes says wonderful things JDPriestly Aug 2014 #8
if caving to reality is wrong, i dont want to be right. mopinko Aug 2014 #15
What does that even mean? candelista Aug 2014 #17
it means paraphrasing an over used catch phrase from a marginally okay movie. nt Javaman Aug 2014 #48
There is some truth in that, but the internet would be useless to JDPriestly Aug 2014 #29
i was responding the comment about the public option. mopinko Aug 2014 #30
Good.. Now let's make sure it happens. Cha Aug 2014 #10
Yep. Pressure time! riqster Aug 2014 #12
Mahalo riqster.. Iselle and Julio are getting all kinds of descriptions.. hurricanes, Cha Aug 2014 #14
Stay safe Cha! Iliyah Aug 2014 #31
Mahalo, Iliyah! :) Cha Aug 2014 #32
Glad to hear it, now we'll see. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #13
How is it "bold" when he doesn't even mention the FCC proposal? Enrique Aug 2014 #16
Maybe he publicly sets up the FCC chair to implement his words? I'm in wait-and-see mode on this. ancianita Aug 2014 #19
"The position of my administration..."? Does the FCC know? n/t Beartracks Aug 2014 #21
Obama's blowing kisses at us while the FCC is preparing to do the exact opposite. EEO Aug 2014 #25
+1. That's the MO of this Administration. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #27
Put your money where your mouth is, Mr. Prez! blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #26
kick samsingh Aug 2014 #28
Lies Steerpike Aug 2014 #34
Having his cake and eating it too...nt NorthCarolina Aug 2014 #35
Oh man! Did he fart again?? elias49 Aug 2014 #36
Maybe like you..... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #40
he is in favor of "an open and fair Internet" ...well that's nice and folksy of him to say so. L0oniX Aug 2014 #37
.... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #39
One of these men backs up what he says with what he does. Psephos Aug 2014 #42
Whenever possible..... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #46
I was watching Obama at the U.S. Africa Business Forum on Politics Nation emsimon33 Aug 2014 #41
If only he had the power to appoint an FCC chair. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #43
his "bold statement" on the subject was appointing Tom Wheeler. nt Maven Aug 2014 #44
I agree with his words. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #45
Movies? Really? Movies? Jeezus Keerist, movies are the least of my concerns when .... Scuba Aug 2014 #47
wake me up when something actually, you know, happens. nt Javaman Aug 2014 #49
I wouldn't necessarily "call the right thing to do" bold. Phlem Aug 2014 #50
Wheeler said he was for open internet, too. merrily Aug 2014 #51
When he appointed Mr. Wheeler, the Liberal wing of the party warned him it was a mistake. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #53
I don't care why he's doing it - TBF Aug 2014 #54
More lies. He's allowing net neutrality to be killed with his own appointments. woo me with science Aug 2014 #55
Feel free to amend your post Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #59
Spare it. We don't have net neutrality yet. woo me with science Feb 2015 #60
But Obama didn't kill it, like you were hoping he would... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #61
Platitudes are not bold statements. n/t Orsino Aug 2014 #56
Is it really a "stand"? hughee99 Aug 2014 #57
Words are wind. Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #58

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
3. I am used to Obama saying things I like to hear.
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:04 PM
Aug 2014

He did that in 2008 and 2012. It is actions that matter not bold statements.

MyOwnPeace

(16,936 posts)
20. Yeah,
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 06:31 PM
Aug 2014

I'm agreeing with that. Let's hope the actions match the "moment" - "You do the talk - you do the walk."

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
22. That is always my hope. I hope he backs up
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 06:39 PM
Aug 2014

his words with actions. At times he does, other times not so much.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
33. My exact thoughts. He has told me what I wanted to hear so many times that now, when he
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 07:38 PM
Aug 2014

tells me what I want to hear, my automatic reflex is to cover my butt hole with my hands.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
5. Yep. Be interesting to see what actually happens, considering who he appointed to actually
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:08 PM
Aug 2014

do things.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
6. Why, that stinking, might-as-well-be-a-repub whore...
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:09 PM
Aug 2014

Oh, wait, that's just a bunch of griping. President Obama, once again, does what we elected him to do.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. He is talking the talk, but walking the walk is another question with
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:25 PM
Aug 2014

Obama. Words are cheap. We shall see what happens.

Enjoy the feel-good moment, because it may soon be gone.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
23. He didn't use the right words, should have
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 06:41 PM
Aug 2014

said it at the inauguration, should make it priority #1, but probably might not mean it or if he does, he doesn't mean it enough.

And if he follows through, I should get the credit for making him do it.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. This is promising. But Obama sometimes says wonderful things
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:24 PM
Aug 2014

and then, in secret, caves to special interests.

He was for the public option before he caved on it.

He is right though. An open society and an open not-for-sale-to-the-highest-bidder internet are vital to keep capitalism alive.

When the marketplace is closed off to new products and ideas because the companies that sell the old products and ideas hog the space, that's not robust capitalism. That's monopolization of the economy, and it does not lead to growth.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
29. There is some truth in that, but the internet would be useless to
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 07:12 PM
Aug 2014

most of us without net neutrality. And as Obama suggests, the end of net neutrality would be close to the end of innovation on the internet. That would be terrible.

There is no room to compromise on net neutrality. You either have it or you don't. We should have universal broadband at the very least across the country.

Cha

(297,430 posts)
14. Mahalo riqster.. Iselle and Julio are getting all kinds of descriptions.. hurricanes,
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:36 PM
Aug 2014

Tropical Storms, Cyclones.. I just know that we're stocking up just in case we don't have electricity for awhile and hopefully everyone is safe.

Thank you!

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
16. How is it "bold" when he doesn't even mention the FCC proposal?
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:51 PM
Aug 2014

nor does he mention Tom Wheeler, whom Obama appointed and whose killing net neutrality was completely predictable.

he leaves it up to Huffington Post to imagine that he opposes the FCC plan, without having to actually say it. And then when it turns out he supports the FCC plan, Huffington Post must have imagined wrong, and anyone who believed them was looking for a pony.

Steerpike

(2,692 posts)
34. Lies
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 07:56 PM
Aug 2014

His appointments to the FCC have been corporate friendly whores. He has done absolutely nothing to stem the tide against the corporate takeover of the airwaves. In fact the argument has been made that he has made it worse through his appointments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-karr/strike-two-obamas-second_b_5205200.html

There plenty of other articles along these lines...

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
36. Oh man! Did he fart again??
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 08:18 PM
Aug 2014

I had such high hopes for this caring and conscientious man. He would be the president that I'd been waiting for all my 62 years. But he farts just like me and you. Bummer.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
37. he is in favor of "an open and fair Internet" ...well that's nice and folksy of him to say so.
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 09:34 PM
Aug 2014

Just more folksy words for internet folks.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
42. One of these men backs up what he says with what he does.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:56 AM
Aug 2014

It's left to the viewer to figure out who.

Impressive find.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
46. Whenever possible.....
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:53 AM
Aug 2014

...I find it is better for a person to speak for themselves.

- Even if they're just repeating what they've been told to say....

Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process. ~Barack Obama, Change.gov. 2008

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
41. I was watching Obama at the U.S. Africa Business Forum on Politics Nation
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:25 AM
Aug 2014

and I was SHOCKED and then very hopeful at Obama's words.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
43. If only he had the power to appoint an FCC chair.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:59 AM
Aug 2014
http://www.fcc.gov/leadership/tom-wheeler

Tom Wheeler became the 31st Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) on November 4, 2013. Chairman Wheeler was appointed by President Barack Obama and unanimously confirmed by the United States Senate.

SNIP

From 1992 to 2004, Chairman Wheeler served as President and CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association (CTIA).


This is the lobby trying to kill net neutrality.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
47. Movies? Really? Movies? Jeezus Keerist, movies are the least of my concerns when ....
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 04:28 AM
Aug 2014

... it comes to open internet. The real problem is censorship of dissenting opinions. When fox dot com runs at 15GB and DU runs at 360K we won't be worried about movies.

Seems like an attempt to trivialize the whole thing.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
50. I wouldn't necessarily "call the right thing to do" bold.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 04:16 PM
Aug 2014

And I hope that not our party's high water mark, but I'm relieved he's doing the right thing.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
51. Wheeler said he was for open internet, too.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 04:28 PM
Aug 2014

I'll tell you what though: If you are really for open internet, you don't staff the FCC, esp. at the top and in the legal dept., with industry lobbyists. You don't ignore SCOTUS decisions saying you have to reclassify the industry to carriers if you want to refulate them heavily. And you don't give the industry the go ahead to create tiers.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
53. When he appointed Mr. Wheeler, the Liberal wing of the party warned him it was a mistake.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 10:16 AM
Aug 2014

Now he claims he disagrees with the stand Wheeler is taking (a stand some predicted he'd take) and yet is powerless to effect the decision. The President has been quick to fire those that have gotten into trouble with conservatives, but for some reason, he can't seem to fire Gen Clapper, John Brennan, Arnie Duncan, and now Wheeler.

I am sorry Mr. President, until I see some results, I will assume this speech is so much rhetoric.

TBF

(32,081 posts)
54. I don't care why he's doing it -
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 11:01 AM
Aug 2014

as long as it stays open. It's our best chance at organizing with other oppressed working folks worldwide.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
55. More lies. He's allowing net neutrality to be killed with his own appointments.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 11:08 AM
Aug 2014

He is deliberately declining to use the FCC to do the things that *would* save a free and open internet.

Bill Moyers blisters Obama for abandoning his net neutrality promises
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017189841

Obama's FCC Incest: Meet the Cable Cronies Who Control Net Neutrality's Future
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024986869

The murder of net neutrality
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024903646

Obama's FCC Destroying Net Neutrality: FCC Chairman’s Many Excuses
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/05/fcc_chairman_tom_wheeler_s_lame_excuses_for_his_net_neutrality_proposal.2.html



Lies upon lies. It's an election season.


A pattern of election year speeches brazenly misrepresenting his administration's own behavior.

Weeks ago: that heavily publicized speech about reining in military involvement...followed immediately by escalations and funding of the Gaza horror.

Yesterday: the shameless claim to support net neutrality, when his own appointees are enabling corporate takeover of the internet.

And today's obscene lie about defending whistleblowers, when we have all witnessed this administration's treatment of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden, and the systematic crackdown on whistleblowing in the federal government.

War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
Torturers are Patriots.

We all live in Oceania now.


woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
60. Spare it. We don't have net neutrality yet.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:17 AM
Feb 2015

The FCC *could* have begun the process of reclassifying the internet as a public utility a year ago. They chose not to, just as Obama chose to appoint an FCC Chairman in bed with telecoms. Why make those choices? Stay tuned...

If we have learned anything from this Wall Street/Madison Avenue, corporate Trojan horse of an administration, it is not to cheer shiny PR announcements of accomplishments on behalf of the people until AFTER the actual policies are signed, sealed, and delivered.

True to form, the publicity blitz and bids for cheering happen NOW, before anything is certain.

This administration has perfected the dishonest PR strategy of claiming loudly and publicly that they intend to do something and gaining the PR benefits of the announcement, but then quietly turning around and doing the opposite. They did it with ACA and a public option. They did it with that beautiful speech about reining in the MIC, followed immediately by two new major wars and a TRILLION dollar ramping up of nuclear arms. They did it with Obama's despicable speeches claiming to support whistleblowers, although Chelsea Manning was a victim of torture and Edward Snowden pursued by forcing down the plane of a head of state. They did it when they promised that big banks would be under indictment in the fall of 2013.

All lies. Publicize and seek credit for lying intentions, but then claim something went wrong.

Americans need to wait and see, thank you very much.


hughee99

(16,113 posts)
57. Is it really a "stand"?
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 09:36 PM
Aug 2014

It could probably be called a "position" until put-up-or-shut-up time comes.

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