according to interview so great to have some expert findings.

my linked comment stated that Trayvon's brother gave a very real answer, which makes him a very credible witness for whatever he may offer as testimony when Zimmerman is charged.

This is in comparison to the BS spin and lies that we have heard from Zimmerman's father and brother. Heck, his brother has not even talked to Zimmerman for years, according to Zimmerman's attorney, and therefore was in no position to state anything about what happened, and appears to have been fed hearsay from his father. And their statements to the press now will come back to tear down their credibility when a trial is held in this case.

Defend Zimmerman all you want, but please base it on facts, not fantasy.

in 2 years. TRAYVON was murdered. What a minute. I had to read your post incorrectly or answered the wrong post.l....We're on the same side of the fence and as a BLACK woman, there's no way in hell that iI would be defending zimmy.

i have two interesting posts coming up at DK to further knock Z down on issues i have not seen written about yet. i will try to remember to link here so you can read.

in the background of a 911 recording, I'm not really surprized. I imagine it wouldn't be his normal speaking voice, but I really don't know what it would sound like.

Independant IDs of not being Zimmerman are definately bad for Zimmerman's version of events.

for a trial against Zimmerman. If you watch his interview, he is speaking from his heart and only stating what he can, he is not trying to give BS, lies or spin the way Zimmerman's father and brother did. In a case with clearly opposing views, credibility is particularly important.

Agree, Zimmerman's version of events keep being deconstructed each day. Each twist and turn of his stories contained in all these interviews with his lawyer, father, brother and friend will be videotaped evidence used in court against him.

It was obvious it was Trayvon even before 2 experts said it was

the fact that a forensic expert who is supposed to be good examined the tapes and issued an opinion that it was not Zimmerman is good because the special prosecutor will have to do the same, have an expert examine the tapes.

MEA CULPA I have to delete that post. Sorry for the misunderstanding and my wrongful post.

if i were not a techie dummie, i would include your emoticons here too!

i think confusion about what i was saying also my fault. we have been discussing this case at DK since beginning, and i posted a link to one comment that was part of that discussion.

People need to catch their breath here and try to use rationale thought. Everyone is trying to use this story at this point for publicity. It is no longer just the NAACP that is trying to profit here, it is also exactly this type of "expert" who comes forward having performed his own analysis on Youtube and declared with 48% probablity that it is not Zimmerman. Never mind that these we never be the experts the Court calls on to make such a judgement, nor that no such expert would offer such an opinion if they were a true expert (other than as a calculated way to generate publicity for themselves).

I am afraid no amount of evidence will convince those in the Sanford jury pool - it might be another OJ Simpson

because you say so. By the way, Trayvon did not weigh 200 pounds, but it's obvious facts aren't your thing.

BTW, welcome to DU.

It's Zimmerman who weighs over 200 pounds.

And if he pursued Trayvon and "got into an altercation" then he can't claim self defense.

It's amazing, really, the lengths people will go to twist this into some kind of "Zimmerman is a victim" nonsense

What do those forensic experts know anyway

Fascinating how all these Zimmerman supporters suddenly show up here. Dad must have a lot of pull indeed to be hiring all of you.

I am pretty sure that his father either wrote that it was Zimmerman yelling for help in his letter, or stated as such in an early interview.

Vigilante Apologist Fail

yup

but clearly the zimmerman is innocent camp is heavily reliant on lies:

Too bad they can't be confronted.

When the examiner says he ruled out GZ's voice as the screamer he could not say the voice was that of Trayvon. Come on folks! I know Trayvon has to have made recordings on something in this day and age. What about his cell phone? What about his girlfriend's voice mail? I saw pictures of TM looking into a video cam wearing a hoodie... He probably has vocals accompanying those images...GEEZZE... This kind of ineptitude is inexcusable.

when my boys were that age, it was sometimes hard to tell it was them on the phone. they sounded different almost every day.

But once you rule out Zimmerman as the voice, who's left?

tell us whose voice it WAS if it wasn't Zimmerman's? Was the mysterious one-armed fugitive guy the third person involved? Because logic would say that if it wasn't Zimmerman, it was 99.99.9999% likely that it was Trayvon's. Deal with it.

Everybody knows it was Trayvon at this point... I was just being a bit sarcastic at the "genuis" who sad he couldn't say defintely it was Trayvon's voice... BTW "super genius" where did you get that 99.99.9999% figure? Is there a little doubt on your part? heh heh heh!

The experts could do the analysis of Zimmerman's voice against the screams on the 911 recording without having to ask for privately held recordings.

We don't know if the Orlando Sentinel or the experts tried to obtain recordings of Trayvon's voice. They may have thought that their analysis would settle matters without having to disturb the family.

All of what you say is true, csziggy. I hope the new State investigators or persons in the State hierarchy are reading this thread. No loose ends should be left out there to stumble over if there ever is a trial. A comparative analysis of Trayvon's voice IS possible, even posthumously... In court, that evidence would "put the icing on the cake."

Trayvon's parents aren't going to complain about something like that. I believe if they were made aware of it, they would be overjoyed in helping to supply any recordings made by TM. Mr. Crump, their family lawyer, should be on top of things like that, especially since the police dropped the ball by failing to properly collect and protect pertinent evidence.

Admittedly, there are parts of this ongoing investigation that we just are not privy to. Perhaps the investigators are ahead of us..Then again, perhaps NOT!

Perhaps it would be best if any recordings made by TM not be entered into evidence. Undoubtedly, anything on those recordings would be fair game for the defense to attack. We have already seen how right wing bigots have tried to turn even the most trivial events in TM's life into something sinister.

It's just that these experts did not have such recordings.

Hmmm, I wonder where they got GZ's voice to compare with the screams on the 911 calls?
Do you think he voluntarily gave them to the news station... or, was his voice taken from the voice message he sent to a friend last week? Hmmmm!

Actually, I don't care if the media gets the voice comparisons done... I want the prosecutors to do it! Nu'ff said!

MD20 there are 911 tapes with Zimmerman self-identified.

Hmm, who'da guessed?


(Well, me, of course.)

How many times do we need to keep disproving Zimmerman's lies before we arrest him?
We already know he lied about his bloody nose and gash on the back of his head, and now we know he and his whole family lied when they said it was him screaming for help.

They will do the same to discredit Trayvon Martin because they want to protect
the "stand your ground" law and sell Lots more guns! The idea is, discredit, discredit and fog the mind of the jury..Right now, that means all the people who are listening to the lies put out by Faux and their friends.

That's the sound of a teenage boy screaming for his life. It's obvious to anybody who has raised children.

Zimmerman clearly was All Man here.

His gun did his talking.

Dirty George.

NRA Hero.

analyze the alleged racial slur.

thanks for the update.

I predict it will make it to the top.

that IS NOT THE CRY OF A 28 YEAR OLD MAN!!! That boy was screaming for help as he was being murdered for doing nothing more than walking home after buying skittles and Arizona Iced Tea.. This is not a surprise to anyone who has 3 ounces of common sense.

don't you know that anyone with a loaded gun is bound to cry and cry and cry??//*/

At this point, any idea this was police incompetence is now blown. You can't be this stupid.

L-

I was already convinced it was Trayvon calling for help. Entry & exit wounds on the other hand could tell us quite a bit.

Was shot in the back? Are there any facts, yet?

I don't think entry and exit wounds will tell anything unless Trayvon was shot in the back. He could have been shot in the front for the evil crime of being in a white neighborhood or while making a desperate attempt to wrest the gun away from Zimmerman. If I thought I had 30 seconds left to live, I'd try to get the gun away.

I knew the voice analysis guys would get him. Not only a murdering racist, but a moron.

I'm convinced Trayvon Martin's murder is a dream scenario for some
handgun fanatics. More than a few must be frustrated, yearning to
fire their glorious Glocks at real person instead of playing "Rambo"
at a firing range.

Think about it folks - what kind of a person would want to carry
around a deadly, easily concealed device, specifically intended to
kill human beings, if they didn't hope use it someday? What can
be said about a adult male who feels so helpless and frightened
can't even go grocery shopping without a loaded weapon hidden
in his clothing - something my 78-year-old grandmother manages
to do every Saturday?

This country has too many sorry examples of manhood who could
plant land mines around their houses, install rocket launchers in
every window and still be scared.

People with such irrational anxiety about their personal safety are
like "Silly Putty" in the hands of the NRA's propaganda peddlers.
Since pistols and revolvers (particularly the expensive ones) can
function for a century or more after rolling off an assembly line,
firearm manufacturers spend millions, financing organizations that
keep their members in a continuous state of paranoid agitation.
"THEY are coming to take your guns away!" ..."They're coming to
take your GUNS away!"... "Soon, they'll be coming to take YOUR
guns away!"

The NRA claims thousands of armed citizens have defended them-
selves from violent criminals. But, I can't remember the last time
I read a newspaper article that reported such a incident. The NRA
ferociously fought legislation that required background checks and
waiting periods before the purchase of any firearm, swearing that
only "responsible, law-abiding" people bought them legally. Yet so
far, more than 400,000 convicted felons and mentally unstable mis-
fits have tried and failed to obtain a weapon this way.

I doubt if all the sane hunters and sportsmen (and sportswomen)
sympathize with trigger-happy idiots like Zimmerman. Still, they
don't seem to realize we unarmed folks are not their enemies. We
all have friends and relatives who hunt, who store their guns in a
locked cabinet and who, unlike Dick Cheney, don't drink a few
beers, then shoot a friend in the face.

I don't own a gun because statistics show it would be 40 times
more likely to cause death or injury to me or someone I know
than provide us with any "protection".

I don't want to ban guns, I just want America to be a civilized
country, where nobody of any age or race can be murdered by
some brainless, SWAT team wannabe who can't be charged with
a crime!