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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:42 PM Aug 2014

Hague Court Under Western Pressure Not To Open Gaza War Crimes Inquiry

Source: Guardian UK

Julian Borger, diplomatic editor
theguardian.com, Monday 18 August 2014 03.00 EDT

The international criminal court has persistently avoided opening an investigation into alleged war crimes in Gaza as a result of US and other western pressure, former court officials and lawyers claim.

In recent days, a potential ICC investigation into the actions of both the Israel Defence Forces and Hamas in Gaza has become a fraught political battlefield and a key negotiating issue at ceasefire talks in Cairo. But the question of whether the ICC could or should mount an investigation has also divided the Hague-based court itself.

An ICC investigation could have a far-reaching impact. It would not just examine alleged war crimes by the Israeli military, Hamas and other Islamist militants in the course of recent fighting in Gaza that left about 2,000 people dead, including women and children. It could also address the issue of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories, for which the Israeli leadership would be responsible.

The ICC's founding charter, the 1998 Rome statute (pdf), describes as a war crime "the transfer, directly or indirectly, by the occupying power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies".


Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/aug/18/hague-court-western-pressure-gaza-inquiry

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Hague Court Under Western Pressure Not To Open Gaza War Crimes Inquiry (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2014 OP
No justice - no peace. And in both cases this comes from the country we have been promoting as jwirr Aug 2014 #1
Exactly what you said. SoapBox Aug 2014 #8
Exactly! And most of us know that, even ballyhoo Aug 2014 #9
Indeed. What a sad country we've become. Liberal_from_va34 Aug 2014 #12
NSA billhicks76 Aug 2014 #15
precisely! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #17
That statute describing war crimes is for little people ...uhm err other countries we don't like. L0oniX Aug 2014 #2
I think they should open it over this and russia for what its doing in the ukraine but then thats cstanleytech Aug 2014 #3
And Russia and China leftynyc Aug 2014 #4
Investigate them all! lark Aug 2014 #5
Well then perhaps you should take the time to post articles that address Purveyor Aug 2014 #19
They have been posted leftynyc Aug 2014 #22
+++1,000 nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #23
Well we can agree on this. News articles just don't get a lot of commentary Purveyor Aug 2014 #24
I'm sorry about that leftynyc Aug 2014 #27
Imagine my surprise. libdem4life Aug 2014 #6
Fractals of Ferguson. Trillo Aug 2014 #7
+1 n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #11
"Also at stake is the future of the ICC itself, an experiment in international justice that occupies pampango Aug 2014 #10
The Hague is a joke, otherwise Bsuh and Cheney would have been tried a long time ago. olddad56 Aug 2014 #13
The U.S. does not recognize the ICC dflprincess Aug 2014 #21
The U.S. is flexing its "Looking Forward" Muscle Again! blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #14
Let justice be done sulphurdunn Aug 2014 #16
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #18
Kickety countryjake Aug 2014 #20
Despicable... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #25
I don't think many people really expected anything to be done Marrah_G Aug 2014 #26
Use the threat of charges to get cease fire. cheyanne Aug 2014 #28

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
1. No justice - no peace. And in both cases this comes from the country we have been promoting as
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:06 PM
Aug 2014

the leader of the world. My ass.

 
12. Indeed. What a sad country we've become.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:34 PM
Aug 2014

And yet so many of us still buy into the propaganda of our country being the "greatest nation on earth". What malarkey.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
15. NSA
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 05:28 PM
Aug 2014

This is NSA's real function...to tap the phones of ICC members to find embarrassing details about them and then threaten to make them public if they don't "go along".

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
2. That statute describing war crimes is for little people ...uhm err other countries we don't like.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:12 PM
Aug 2014

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
3. I think they should open it over this and russia for what its doing in the ukraine but then thats
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:19 PM
Aug 2014

just my opinion.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. And Russia and China
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:24 PM
Aug 2014

are stopping the ICC from investigating Syria. I don't see anyone here complaining about that as almost 200,000 have been slaughtered there.

lark

(23,155 posts)
5. Investigate them all!
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:28 PM
Aug 2014

Course, the US will never let that happen as that would threaten the profits of the MIC and what's more important than that?

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
24. Well we can agree on this. News articles just don't get a lot of commentary
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:50 AM
Aug 2014

around here anymore. Lots of views but that is about it.

My morning business news is a great example of that, unfortunately but I keep posting them just the same.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. I'm sorry about that
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 12:03 PM
Aug 2014

It used to be that DU was THE place to get latest news and commentary. Sadly, that's no longer true. However, if you want to see what the far left has to say about Israel, you can find literally hundreds of posts about that.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
6. Imagine my surprise.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:37 PM
Aug 2014

I think our Western culture is at a point of decision...on the humane/inhumane continuum we're dangerously close to that slippery slope as shown on a bell curve. In every system, there is the point of vacuum, of hesitation, of preparation.

Or the moment of hesitation on a pendulum...A physics site's definition: The 'teeter point' doesn't have a special name though, it is often called xmax and at this point v = 0 and |a| = amax, that is to say it has a velocity of zero and a maximum accleration.

One can hope.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
10. "Also at stake is the future of the ICC itself, an experiment in international justice that occupies
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:26 PM
Aug 2014
a fragile position with no superpower backing. Russia, China and India have refused to sign up to it. The US and Israel signed the accord in 2000 but later withdrew."

"An ICC investigation could have a far-reaching impact. It would not just examine alleged war crimes by the Israeli military, Hamas and other Islamist militants in the course of recent fighting in Gaza that left about 2,000 people dead, including women and children. It could also address the issue of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories, for which the Israeli leadership would be responsible.

The ICC's founding charter, the 1998 Rome statute (pdf), describes as a war crime "the transfer, directly or indirectly, by the occupying power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies"."

Among the biggest contributors to the ICC budget are the UK and France, which have both sought to persuade the Palestinians to forego a war crimes investigation.

Our "American exceptionalists" on the right do not want the US bound by decisions of an international court or body. Apparently, politicians in Russia, China and India feel the same way.

Nice find, Purveyor.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
21. The U.S. does not recognize the ICC
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:26 PM
Aug 2014

supposedly because "we" have concerns about the lack of due process so the ICC does not have the authority to demand we hand Bush and the rest of his gang over.

I wonder, though, if any of our war criminals ventured into the territory of a country that does recognized the ICC if they couldn't be arrested and hauled off to The Hague?

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
26. I don't think many people really expected anything to be done
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 12:00 PM
Aug 2014

History shows that there will be no repercussions for the war crimes and in a couple years it will happen again.

cheyanne

(733 posts)
28. Use the threat of charges to get cease fire.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 12:33 PM
Aug 2014

This is a moment when public opinion has turned against both sides.

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