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Omaha Steve

(99,658 posts)
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:12 AM Aug 2014

Israeli fire on Gaza town raises war crimes claim

Source: AP-Excite

By KARIN LAUB and IBRAHIM BARZAK

RAFAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — The first of August dawned as a day of promise for the Mahmoum clan and thousands of other Palestinians stuck in United Nations shelters in Rafah — thanks to a temporary cease-fire with Israel they could go home for three days.

But the expected respite quickly turned into one of the deadliest and most controversial episodes in the recent war between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. After just two hours, amid fear that Hamas had captured an Israeli soldier, the Israeli military sealed off the Rafah area and began shelling. By the end of the next day, 190 Palestinians were dead, according to a list of names compiled by two Gaza human rights groups, including 14 members of the Mahmoum family.

The Rafah operation is almost certain to be a focus of U.N. investigators and rights groups looking into possible war crimes because it highlights a key concern: The treatment of civilians.

A Palestinian rights group argues that the Israeli army violated the rules of war, which include giving adequate warning to civilians, using proportionate force and distinguishing between civilians and combatants. Unlike in many other Gaza battles, civilians were caught by surprise by the sudden fire and sealed exits.

FULL story at link.

Further down in the story: "If we accidentally or mistakenly targeted a civilian situation, it was a mistake, and we are very sorry about that,"



FILE - In this Saturday, Aug. 2, 2014 file photo, a medic kneels by bodies of victims of the war in Gaza that are wrapped in blankets in a hospital in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip. Amid fear that Hamas had captured an Israeli soldier, the Israeli military sealed off the Rafah area and began shelling on Aug. 1, 2014. By the end of the next day, 190 Palestinians were dead, according to a list of names compiled by two Gaza human rights groups. The suspected capture of the soldier turned out to be a false alarm and the Rafah operation is almost certain to be a focus of U.N. investigators and rights groups looking into possible war crimes because it highlights a key concern: The treatment of civilians. (AP Photo/Hatem Ali, File)


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140831/ml--gaza-trapped_under_fire-0cf4066321.html

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Israeli fire on Gaza town raises war crimes claim (Original Post) Omaha Steve Aug 2014 OP
But how can this be? The IDF is the most humane army ever....they said so themselves and the Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #1
^^^^^ Grey Aug 2014 #2
Wasn't that in reference to the Holocaust? oberliner Aug 2014 #5
I guess it is hard for some people to understand. Grey Aug 2014 #7
It's not hard at all oberliner Aug 2014 #8
Please name an army more humane. former9thward Aug 2014 #10
Crickets. 7962 Aug 2014 #11
The army that does not blow up densely crowded neighborhoods? Ash_F Aug 2014 #12
Now Hamas is more humane? former9thward Aug 2014 #13
What would be your statistical metric, then? Ash_F Aug 2014 #14
Well I was not the one challenging a supposed claim that the IDF was the most humane army. former9thward Aug 2014 #15
That's fair. /nt Ash_F Aug 2014 #16
Mass murder. Your tax dollars at work. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #3
Atmospherics Basic LA Aug 2014 #4
Not true at all oberliner Aug 2014 #6
Point proved. Basic LA Aug 2014 #9

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. But how can this be? The IDF is the most humane army ever....they said so themselves and the
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:37 AM
Aug 2014

IDF never lies, and shuns propaganda of any kind. This entire family dying at the same time is just Hamas militia propaganda.

When the world said "never again" it meant never again.....for everyone, not just Jews.

The double standard of some is shocking. The mass media ignorance of this and many other IDF crimes is also shocking and itself a war crime.

Truly, military experts and fighting men are shocked at the amount of firepower used in a civilian area by the IDF.

Grey

(1,581 posts)
2. ^^^^^
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:03 PM
Aug 2014

"When the world said "never again" it meant never again.....for everyone, not just Jews."

How is that so hard to understand?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Wasn't that in reference to the Holocaust?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:31 PM
Aug 2014

Systematic extermination of millions of Jews and others across Europe?

Grey

(1,581 posts)
7. I guess it is hard for some people to understand.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:43 PM
Aug 2014

Never again should mean just that. Never anywhere, anyone, any time, any reason.

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
10. Please name an army more humane.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 04:19 PM
Aug 2014

Please name an army that warns civilians it is about to attack a location. Name it.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
12. The army that does not blow up densely crowded neighborhoods?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 06:57 PM
Aug 2014

Obviously it is not working as most deaths are from noncombatants. If we are looking at percentage of noncombatants vs combatants killed in this conflict, even Hamas is more humane, but I would not call them an army anyway.

The US warned neighborhoods with leaflets in Iraq before attacking, it did not help there either.

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
13. Now Hamas is more humane?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:39 PM
Aug 2014

Wow. The U.S. does not warn anybody about anything. Ask the drone victims if they were warned.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
14. What would be your statistical metric, then?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:16 PM
Aug 2014

If you want to be objective, you would look at civilian deaths vs soldiers/combatants.

I agree with you on the drone strikes.

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
15. Well I was not the one challenging a supposed claim that the IDF was the most humane army.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:28 PM
Aug 2014

I don't think armies are humane. When I was in the military we were told our mission was "to kill people and break things." I doubt the mission has changed much. But when a poster says the IDF is not the most humane I would like to know who is.

 

Basic LA

(2,047 posts)
4. Atmospherics
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:25 PM
Aug 2014

In the US alone, something in the atmosphere alters our words so that even the mildest utterance of criticism of Israel reaches the listener as "I like Hitler!" Maybe science can help.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Not true at all
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:32 PM
Aug 2014

There have been innumerable articles, op-eds, and other very critical pieces written about Israel in the US in wide ranging newspapers and sources.

 

Basic LA

(2,047 posts)
9. Point proved.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:09 PM
Aug 2014

Instead of hearing what I said, you went defensive. Sure criticism is made, my point is in how that criticism is received.

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