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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:47 AM Sep 2014

BREAKING: Federal Appeals Court Withdraws Decision Defunding Obamacare

Source: Think Progress

In July, two Republican judges on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit handed down a decision defunding much of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). This effort to implement Sen. Ted Cruz’s (R-TX) top policy priority from the bench was withdrawn on Thursday by the DC Circuit, and the case will be reheard by the full court — a panel that will most likely include 13 judges. In practical terms, this means that July’s judgment cutting off subsidies to consumers who buy insurance plans in federally-operated health exchanges is no more. It has ceased to be. It is, in fact, an ex-judgment.

The reason why this matters is because the plaintiffs in this lawsuit, known as Halbig v. Burwell, are hustling to try to convince the GOP-dominated Supreme Court to hear this case, where they no doubt believe that they have a greater chance of succeeding than in the DC Circuit, as a majority of the active judges in the DC Circuit are Democrats. The Supreme Court takes only a tiny fraction of the cases brought to their attention by parties who lost in a lower court — a study of the Court’s 2005 term, for example, found that the justices granted a full argument to only 78 of the 8,517 petitions seeking the high Court’s review that term. The justices, however, are particularly likely to hear cases where two federal appeals courts disagree about the same question of law.

Two hours after the divided DC Circuit panel released its opinion attempted to defund Obamacare, a unanimous panel of the Fourth Circuit upheld the health subsidies that are at issue in Halbig. Thus, so long as both decisions remained in effect, Supreme Court review was very likely. Now that the full DC Circuit has vacated the two Republican judges’ July judgement, Supreme Court review is much less likely.

Although it is possible that the full DC Circuit could agree with the two judges who voted to cut off health subsidies to millions of Americans, this outcome is unlikely. The plaintiffs’ arguments in this case are weak and are unlikely to move judges who do not have a partisan stake in undermining the Affordable Care Act.

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/04/3477801/breaking-federal-appeals-court-withdraws-decision-defunding-obamacare/

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BREAKING: Federal Appeals Court Withdraws Decision Defunding Obamacare (Original Post) kpete Sep 2014 OP
7 courts laughed the argument out of court, this was the ONLY one siding with the idiots. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #1
"This is why winning the Senate is vital." Winning and keeping the Senate is vital to our rights BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #4
+ 1 Billion SoapBox Sep 2014 #10
Democrats have ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #24
This is so true! We must win the Senate!! hue Sep 2014 #13
We need to also focus on WINNING THE HOUSE!! Hulk Sep 2014 #34
+ 1 trillion samsingh Sep 2014 #17
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #23
We need the senate *and* congress plus we need to focus harder at state level offices cstanleytech Sep 2014 #33
Invoking the legal argument of STFU. Jerry442 Sep 2014 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #2
I got mine therefore screw YOU - one of the "mottos" of the GOP party! Iliyah Sep 2014 #3
But they really are special and they really deserve to have everything Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #27
Unless they have nothing and vote GOP just for the brand. mucifer Sep 2014 #36
This actually seemed to be one of the more appealable pieces of the ACA Doctor_J Sep 2014 #5
Transferring tax dollars to LIMITED corporate profits, by law. tridim Sep 2014 #7
True. Don't forget - part of the ACA mandates that the VAST majority of what you pay in premiums calimary Sep 2014 #19
By vast majority, you mean Big Insurance charges at least 7 times as much in overhead as Medicare Doctor_J Sep 2014 #21
And your solution is ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #25
Healthcare Doctor_J Sep 2014 #31
+1 Brazillion Myrina Sep 2014 #38
+1 Enthusiast Sep 2014 #15
I guess the papers will be full of articles talking about how Obamacare has been upheld! n2doc Sep 2014 #6
Thank you for the post. oldandhappy Sep 2014 #8
As usual, I find something comical. maddogesq Sep 2014 #9
Was about to post this. VWolf Sep 2014 #18
Me too! djean111 Sep 2014 #35
Aww gee, thanks. My new career: Applicable Python Spotter maddogesq Sep 2014 #37
So... TlalocW Sep 2014 #11
Not necessarily Morganfleeman Sep 2014 #14
Welcome to DU, Morganfleeman! calimary Sep 2014 #20
PAGING HARRY REID -- LET'S GET THOSE FEDERAL COURT APPOINTMENTS UP AND APPROVED ASAP. The Stranger Sep 2014 #16
In my 8th Grade Civics class, and subsequent University'Grad-school level study of the Constitution 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #22
Non-partisan judges was a reason for lifetime appointments, but not a guarantee. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #26
Great news. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #28
Defunding Obamacare would be disastrous Memo Rodriguez Sep 2014 #29
repeal the appeal .rofl SummerSnow Sep 2014 #30
Thank you, kpete Cha Sep 2014 #32

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. 7 courts laughed the argument out of court, this was the ONLY one siding with the idiots.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:49 AM
Sep 2014

Trying to hustle it to the SCC because this time they got something on Roberts to get him to change his vote?

The moral of the story is the DC Circuit Court is the minime of the SCOTUS, remember when the Republicans blocked Obama's appointments and tried to gerrymander the whole court?

This is why winning the Senate is vital.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
4. "This is why winning the Senate is vital." Winning and keeping the Senate is vital to our rights
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:04 AM
Sep 2014

and to those of our children. We also need to neuter the conservatives on SCOTUS.

So we need to keep the WH in our column until Kennedy and Scalia either keel over in their seats (a la Rehnquist) or retire, and when Justice Bader-Ginsberg decides to retire and is replaced by another Democratic president appointee. This will go a LONG way in stemming the endless frivilous lawsuits paid for by billionaires like the Koch Bros and their ilk in their quest to turn this democracy into a corporatist State.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
34. We need to also focus on WINNING THE HOUSE!!
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 01:36 AM
Sep 2014

It would be soooo awesome to rid the Congress of this cancer, known as teabaggeritis.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
23. And ...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:24 PM
Sep 2014
"This is why winning the Senate is vital." Winning and keeping the Senate is vital to our rights


And why 2016 is equally important.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
33. We need the senate *and* congress plus we need to focus harder at state level offices
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:25 PM
Sep 2014

because if we keep ignoring those then the republicans will be able to keep their gerrymandered districts.

Response to kpete (Original post)

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
5. This actually seemed to be one of the more appealable pieces of the ACA
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:06 AM
Sep 2014

We're giving tax money to people who then are forced to give it to private corporations. But since they do the same thing with my taxes that go to Xe and Haliburton and GD, the precedent would seem to be in favor of the ACA.

ETA: Transferring tax dollars to corporate profits was one of the main goals of the act, so this will not be repealed.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
7. Transferring tax dollars to LIMITED corporate profits, by law.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:17 AM
Sep 2014

A law which is currently bringing down costs for the insured.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
19. True. Don't forget - part of the ACA mandates that the VAST majority of what you pay in premiums
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:41 PM
Sep 2014

goes DIRECTLY to your actual medical coverage. No padding some board member's pockets. That percentage is something like 80 or 85% if memory serves. I actually got a $95 check back from my insurance company not long after the ACA took effect.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
21. By vast majority, you mean Big Insurance charges at least 7 times as much in overhead as Medicare
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:09 PM
Sep 2014

No padding of board members' pockets?

their rake is about 20% of the 3 trillion dollar US health care boondoggle, or 500 billion dollars. That's half a trillion that DOESN'T go for health care. Some of it just might go to padding the board's pockets.

Furthermore, you still have to fight your insurance company to get paid, with a few hours on the phone and filing your paperwork 3 times.

The Middleman Multiplication and Profit Protection Act is not healthcare, and never will be.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
25. And your solution is ...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:36 PM
Sep 2014

Oh yeah ... we "should have single-payer!!!!!"

But we don't ... I suspect it's coming; but it's not here yet.

Unicorns versus Reality.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
31. Healthcare
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:18 PM
Sep 2014

I thought that would be clear by now.

Our nominee for 2016 has already said she is against SP, and so has the HHS secretary - you know, "democrats". So if you actually "suspect it's coming", it is you who is seeing unicorns.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
6. I guess the papers will be full of articles talking about how Obamacare has been upheld!
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:11 AM
Sep 2014

I won't hold my breath....

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
8. Thank you for the post.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:21 AM
Sep 2014

I vaguely remember this happening. I appreciate this follow up and hope you/someone will keep letting us know about this. I can't keep up! Thank you again.

maddogesq

(1,245 posts)
9. As usual, I find something comical.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:21 AM
Sep 2014

A funny line from the article:

"It has ceased to be. It is, in fact, an ex-judgment."

Snort!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
35. Me too!
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 07:08 AM
Sep 2014

Am trying to find enough Monty Python online so my grandson can binge. MP is on my list of things where I am actually jealous of people who get to watch/read/see for the first time. (That sentence structure is iffy, but, in all fairness, I just woke up.)

maddogesq

(1,245 posts)
37. Aww gee, thanks. My new career: Applicable Python Spotter
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 10:04 AM
Sep 2014

Given my attempts at Lion Tamer did not quite work out, I had to come up with something....

TlalocW

(15,383 posts)
11. So...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:23 AM
Sep 2014

It's going to the full DC Circuit, which is expected to side with Obama, and if that happens, it will mesh with what came from the Fourth Circuit, and it won't need to go to the Supreme Court?

TlalocW

Morganfleeman

(117 posts)
14. Not necessarily
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:00 PM
Sep 2014

The government asked for a 30 day extension to respond to the petitioners in the King v. Burwell Supreme Court appeal. The government has until October 3rd to respond and then the petitioners usually have 14 days to respond to the government's response.

The Supreme Court could still elect to hear King v Burwell if it gets into them by October. The D.C. Circuit won't be hearing Halbig v. Burwell till December so at this point the Supreme Court's decision to take the case or not is paramount because if the Supreme Court elects to hear King v Burwell it obviates the need for the D.C. Circuit to rehear Halbig v Burwell.

If SCOTUS elelcts to hear the case I'd put money on King v. Burwell being overruled.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
20. Welcome to DU, Morganfleeman!
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:49 PM
Sep 2014

Glad you're here! Well, October isn't that far away anymore. It'll be interesting to watch. But in the meantime, I'm enjoying the mere thought of a GOP effort being rolled back. ANY GOP effort being rolled back is a good thing. Because ANY GOP "effort" is bound to be a bad thing for the vast majority of Americans (those not in the 1%, that is).

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
22. In my 8th Grade Civics class, and subsequent University'Grad-school level study of the Constitution
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:22 PM
Sep 2014
The plaintiffs’ arguments in this case are weak and are unlikely to move judges who do not have a partisan stake in undermining the Affordable Care Act.


I came to understand that the reason we give life time appointments to the Federal Judiciary was so that Judges could avoid taking "partisan stakes" in political issues.

I guess I mis-learned.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
26. Non-partisan judges was a reason for lifetime appointments, but not a guarantee.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:43 PM
Sep 2014

Since Reagan, the republicans predominately nominate ultra-partisans to the bench.

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