I'm sick of this shit.

Hate crime:

If Americans didn't have such a boner for vengeance we might get considerable better results from our justice system.

If we look at one of the civilized countries, you know the ones that use logic and utilitarianism to make choices about where to allocate resources, you would never find a justice system that would treat these kids like adults.

Every statistic I have ever seen says that their approach which focuses on rehabilitation rather then punishment is better for everyone in the long run.

Nobody is more compassionate than me, some of my kids are still friends, and I changed careers about ten years ago.

These particular kids are habitual offenders, possibly living under worse conditions at home than they would have in a well operated facility.

The recidivism rate for kids who are ever locked up is above 90%, as is the estimated rate of learning/cognitive/emotional disorders, diagnosed and undiagnosed.

Unless and until the outside environment is drastically improved, they are better off locked up.

Fix the outside and we might not have to be so severe, but until then they need to be removed from society.

I'll add that the parents should probably investigated as well, they are more often than not part of the problem:

I fail to see who trying them as an adult will get a reaction even close to the utilitarian system in countries that think before they punish.

Then we would have an entirely different situation than we do.

Implicit in my reply above is that the "outside world" needs fixing.

Give us your education and health support system and some of the other more nurturing features of Norway's culture and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

In fact, I'd argue that we wouldn't even have read about this crime because it wouldn't have occurred in Norway.

NYC_SKP

Then it is maybe time for US to learn something from other countries - when it come to social services - education - and probably change a few values down the road too...

Even if our health care support systems have it share of hiccups - and mistakes is being made all the time - I suspect our system works well to help the ones who are in need of it.... But as all systems sometimes people fall true the cracks - and it is no way perfect...

But I guess it is better than to not have anything in place - for people who are in need of help

Diclotican

for it, considering the brutality of the crime.

*Edit: At 13 and 14, I agree they shouldn't be charged as adults. But they need some serious time in juvie.

I have no tolerance for morons who hurt innocent people and animals.

who was doing the bucket challenge will be found.

Lock them away before they grow up and run as Republican candidates.

"Sixteen-year-old Angeliz Marrero, of New Castle County, told WPVI-TV in Philadelphia that she reposted the video"

think people with special needs have feelings!

We are all the same inside no matter what we look like on the outside or how well we score on intelligence tests.
I cannot handle all of the hatred toward humanity.

Culture or home environment told these kids it was ok to harm the "not perfect" or vunerable...this is a spiritually sick nation