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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:10 PM Sep 2014

Islamic State crisis: Obama threatens action in Syria

Source: BBC World

US President Barack Obama says he will not hesitate to take action against Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria as well as Iraq.

In a nationally televised speech outlining his strategy against IS, he said that any group that threatened America would "find no safe heaven".

He also announced that 475 US military personnel would be sent to Iraq but said they would not have a combat role.

IS controls large parts of Syria and Iraq after a rapid military advance.

Its fighters have become notorious for their brutality, beheading enemy soldiers and Western journalists on video.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29152129



just a quicke because I didn't see this in LBN, but if it's already been posted lock away
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Islamic State crisis: Obama threatens action in Syria (Original Post) ucrdem Sep 2014 OP
highlights of Obama's anti-IS strategy: ucrdem Sep 2014 #1
Will these 475 "advisers" to Iraq be going barefoot? 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #2
Not too many specifics so far, but here's the text: ucrdem Sep 2014 #3
Okay here we go: ucrdem Sep 2014 #5
The timing of this 'warning' to some in Syria who thought they were untouchable is interesting. Sunlei Sep 2014 #4
Yes exactly. ucrdem Sep 2014 #6
Cut off Funding and Stem the Flow of Fighters LarryNM Sep 2014 #7
But we have to do it without spying on anyone other than specific targets FrodosPet Sep 2014 #13
"EVERY decision has bad consequences." DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #18
Putin must by joyful. change a few words here and there and he can give the same speech lol nt msongs Sep 2014 #8
He had uncredited bit part in this one: ucrdem Sep 2014 #9
Instead we ended our war and left Iraq to its people and a fully sovereign Iraqi state that could ma jakeXT Sep 2014 #17
"We did not grab its resources for our own gain." Nihil Sep 2014 #22
Indeed. Depends on what the meaning of "our" is. arcane1 Sep 2014 #25
"We ended our war"? candelista Sep 2014 #23
Maybe we can have another Shock & Awe? gerogie2 Sep 2014 #10
More like hem & haw. ucrdem Sep 2014 #11
Oh, good. Another war. I was bored with what's been on the teevee machine... blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #12
Iffy "threat" to the US candelista Sep 2014 #14
Neocon Lite. Psephos Sep 2014 #15
Alfred Nobel is rolling in his grave. ballyhoo Sep 2014 #24
This line stood out to me: "No religion condones the killing of innocents" KurtNYC Sep 2014 #16
Mark Twain's "War Prayer" mia Sep 2014 #19
With God on Our Side mia Sep 2014 #20
Four hundred more troops back to Iraq one week. Five hundred more the next week . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #21

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
1. highlights of Obama's anti-IS strategy:
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:16 PM
Sep 2014
* A systematic campaign of airstrikes against IS targets "wherever they are", including in Syria;

* Increased support for allied ground forces fighting against IS - but not President Assad of Syria;

* More counter-terrorism efforts to cut off the group's funding and help stem the flow of fighters into the ME;

* Continuing humanitarian assistance to civilians affected by the IS advance line
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more from the BBC article:

The US has launched over 150 airstrikes against the group in Iraq and provided arms to Iraqi and Kurdish forces fighting against IS.

In a 15-minute speech shown at peak time in the US, President Obama vowed that America would lead "a broad coalition to roll back" IS.

"Working with the Iraqi government, we will expand our efforts beyond protecting our own people and humanitarian missions, so that we're hitting Isil { Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant - the previous name for IS} targets as Iraqi forces go on the offense" he said.

He said he would welcome congressional approval for the fight against IS but said that he had the authority to act without it.

President Obama was elected in part because of fervent opposition to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and presided over the US troop pullout from the country.
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from NYT: Obama ISIS Speech - FULL:

Outlining a Battle Plan | The New York Times, 9/10/14:

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
2. Will these 475 "advisers" to Iraq be going barefoot?
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:28 PM
Sep 2014

Or will they wear boots?

And will those boots ever touch Iraq soil AKA "ground"?

Inquiring minds wonder about these things.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
3. Not too many specifics so far, but here's the text:
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:38 PM
Sep 2014

I was just trying to figure out exactly what has changed and I'm not sure that this isn't another speak- forcefully-but-do-very-little speech which is something PBO has deployed very effectively in similar circumstances:

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/09/10/full-text-obama-speech/15423111/

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
5. Okay here we go:
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:43 PM
Sep 2014

The big news is that the anti-ISIL airstrikes will now be conducted in Syria as well as Iraq, or might be at some unspecified future moment ("I will not hesitate to take action," not "The bombs started falling last night&quot , presumably -- though I don't see it mentioned -- with Mr Assad's knowledge if not approval if not courteous cooperation if not aid and comfort, which puts a whole new spin on the affair doesn't it?

First, we will conduct a systematic campaign of airstrikes against these terrorists. Working with the Iraqi government, we will expand our efforts beyond protecting our own people and humanitarian missions, so that we're hitting ISIL targets as Iraqi forces go on offense. Moreover, I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are. That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria, as well as Iraq. This is a core principle of my presidency: if you threaten America, you will find no safe haven.


Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
4. The timing of this 'warning' to some in Syria who thought they were untouchable is interesting.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:41 PM
Sep 2014

When are the Saudis going to stand up and help their neighbors?

LarryNM

(493 posts)
7. Cut off Funding and Stem the Flow of Fighters
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:45 PM
Sep 2014

Very Important and take what you can get. The ME is awash with symbiotic relationships there and elsewhere.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
13. But we have to do it without spying on anyone other than specific targets
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:00 AM
Sep 2014

We need to figure out where the money comes from, but we must respect everyone's privacy in the process. No profiling, no following people leaving the U.S. unless they are carrying a big sign that says, "Hi, I'm on my way to join up with the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant".

Fuq what a mess. EVERY decision has bad consequences.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
18. "EVERY decision has bad consequences."
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 06:51 AM
Sep 2014

This pretty much sums up my entire philosophy on our involvement in the ME.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
9. He had uncredited bit part in this one:
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:58 PM
Sep 2014

"It is America that has rallied the world against Russian aggression, and in support of the Ukrainian peoples' right to determine their own destiny."

I guess that was to reassure the neo-cons that we still love 'em even though we're staying the hell out of Ukraine.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
17. Instead we ended our war and left Iraq to its people and a fully sovereign Iraqi state that could ma
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:38 AM
Sep 2014

But even in Iraq, America sought to work within the international system. We did not claim or annex Iraq’s territory. We did not grab its resources for our own gain. Instead, we ended our war and left Iraq to its people in a fully sovereign Iraqi state that can make decisions about its own future.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/transcript-president-obama-gives-speech-addressing-europe-russia-on-march-26/2014/03/26/07ae80ae-b503-11e3-b899-20667de76985_story.html

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
25. Indeed. Depends on what the meaning of "our" is.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:14 PM
Sep 2014

If it means "Chevron" then we most certainly DID!

 

gerogie2

(450 posts)
10. Maybe we can have another Shock & Awe?
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:06 AM
Sep 2014

Our wars in the Middle East have been a complete waste of treasury and lives. We should let the people that live in those lands decide their own fate.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
11. More like hem & haw.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:18 AM
Sep 2014

Official notification of last month's announcement of air strikes and unofficial declaration that the war against Assad is no longer on the table. We're a long way away from Rummy.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
14. Iffy "threat" to the US
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:36 AM
Sep 2014

From the speech:

So ISIL poses a threat to the people of Iraq and Syria and the broader Middle East, including American citizens, personnel and facilities. If left unchecked, these terrorists could pose a growing threat beyond that region, including to the United States. While we have not yet detected specific plotting against our homeland, ISIL leaders have threatened America and our allies. Our intelligence community believes that thousands of foreigners, including Europeans and some Americans, have joined them in Syria and Iraq. Trained and battle-hardened, these fighters could try to return to their home countries and carry out deadly attacks.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/world/middleeast/obamas-remarks-on-the-fight-against-isis.html

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
16. This line stood out to me: "No religion condones the killing of innocents"
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:11 AM
Sep 2014

I suppose it depends on what the religion defines as "innocent" but it also brings to mind the battle cry of Vietnam: "Kill them all. Let God sort it out."

Also Mark Twain's "War Prayer"
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/making/warprayer.html


 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
21. Four hundred more troops back to Iraq one week. Five hundred more the next week . . .
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:40 AM
Sep 2014

For those of you who are students of our nation's many military entanglements, this is classic, American style "Mission Creep." A textbook example unfolding right before our horrified eyes.

Whatever happened to our actions being limited to "Protecting our people in Iraq?" Now we're attacking IS targets "Wherever they may be!"

This will not end well, not for us anyway.

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