George W. Bush on ISIS: America has learned its ‘lesson’ on Iraq
Source: MSNBC
Former President George W. Bush is pointing to the resurgence of violence in Iraq as validating his belief that American troops should have stayed in that war-torn country instead of withdrawing in 2011.
Theyre not ready to do it on their own, and thats the lesson weve learned recently, Bush told Fox News on Thursday.
It was a rare public comment on a policy matter from the former president, who has done few interviews since leaving office in early 2009. The implicit criticism was also noteworthy coming from Bush, who led the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, a war that ultimately cost nearly 4,500 American lives, trillions of dollars, and created the destabilizing environment that led to the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and other extremist groups.
The interview came as U.S.-led airstrikes continue in Iraq and Syria, where ISIS militants have seized large swaths of territory. The American-trained Iraqi military has proved incapable of stopping the terrorist group, suffering a number of high-profile defeats and abandoning several Sunni cities.
Read more: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/george-bush-isis-america-has-learned-lesson-about-iraq
sakabatou
(42,158 posts)hibbing
(10,098 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,513 posts)*kicks self for stupid joke*
Enrique
(27,461 posts)OnlinePoker
(5,722 posts)Over on the right wing sites, they're saying Obama should have "negotiated" harder to keep U.S. troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)after signing the agreement, in Baghdad, he held a press conference which was where the guy threw the shoe at him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement#December_14.2C_2008_press_conference
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I couldn't remember the exact date.
candelista
(1,986 posts)But no matter how many times we explain this, they are still going to think that Obama ordered the pull-out. Because it's something in character for him to do. Because he's a liberal, and this is the kind of thing liberals do. And because 2008 was a long time ago, and who remembers what happened then?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)liberal from boston
(856 posts)Lawrence had a segment w/Phyllis Bennis about this. Here is the link of the segment that the meme of the republicans is to rewrite the history of Iraq: http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/did-george-w-bush-second-guess-obama-337189955657
candelista
(1,986 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)NOT that a major piece of policy had been negotiated and signed, but that someone threw a shoe. Unfuckingbelievable.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)But IOKIYAR.
You never have to be consistent and history can always be - and is - rewritten.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)candelista
(1,986 posts)Or perhaps he's being self-critical. No, senior moment.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Nobody will be paying attention as the War Hawks are brainwashing Americans back to the year 2003: hiding the Bush Family Evil Empire of Warmongering Sales behind chards of the IS.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Oh well, I'm sure our famously liberal media will nail him on that little inconsistency.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)100 percent impossible!
merrily
(45,251 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Dripping, dripping blood.
I hope the screams of dying children and the wails of their mothers haunt him at night.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)zonkers
(5,865 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Cow boy. Go help some of your younger relation get into military uniforms so's they'll be ready to defend our freedoms.
Botany
(70,516 posts)His war created the conditions that made ISIS.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Very true but he will never admit publically he made the wrong decision.
Botany
(70,516 posts)w didn't know the difference between Shia and Suni less the 2 months before starting
his unneeded war.
benld74
(9,904 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)gets in. Ya'know his brother Jeb is running.
Cha
(297,323 posts)felt like it, a$$hole?
olddad56
(5,732 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,841 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)Ampersand Unicode
(503 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Except not in the way you think.
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...of the new undead Iraqi child that will follow you everywhere.
George W. Bush Debuts New Paintings Of Dogs, Friends, Ghost Of Iraqi Child That Follows Him Everywhere
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)because Iraq said that since they were now an independent state again, Americans, especially mercenary contractors, who BushCo. hired in the thousands @ 10x the cost of an average private. Mercenaries that had decided, looking at their superiors no doubt, that they were above any law, and killed civilians for fun. And it was getting so out of hand that even the puppet Prime Minister had to do something, like actually holding them accountable for once. BushCo. knew this would be a political nightmare because he knew that this gang of thugs they hired wouldn't be able to restrain themselves. His administration set the tone in the first place with their anything goes "dark side" approach. So they in fact were the most responsible for the forcing of the hand of the Prime Minister, which their response was to run away...run away...nothing to see here folks.
polynomial
(750 posts)President Obama is the commander in chief to make good on his election pledge to stop the war in Iraq. It is a mess but Obama did not brake it Bush did! and it was the wrong.
In my opinion now knowing that basic law of Islamic governance is accomplished through laws of the Quran is something that makes it virtually impossible to have peace at any time since Christ. Let alone try to change Iraq to a Democracy in a few years.
Iraq is a government that is a solid law faith based society. In contrast whereas America, we the people separate the church and state, or at least try to do so.
With that knowledge plus a host of other countries that went in on the deal to go to war violating a basic sovereignty that presented a shallow threat shows that America and those that followed Bush are professionals that broke the system in at least two levels.
The intellectuals will not admit it and nor will the media that was complicit in war profiteering via the military industrial complex, and the banking scam now more considered as the economic swindling of the century historically recorded.
All which should be an ongoing expose through debate describing the use of secret lies the use of a shadow government here in America and in the war in Iraq with secret mercenaries then and now likely working with ISIS, abuse of basic citizens amendment rights in the Constitution and torture.
The one percent have shown the world we are in the plague of war.
To consider any Bush in a political office is insane
Mister Nightowl
(396 posts)Suffice to say, it involves Mr. Bush and 12,788 curse words.
truthisfreedom
(23,148 posts)FUCK the bushes.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)fuck off you worthless piece of shit*.
blm
(113,065 posts)And why is Obama to blame for the failures of Bush's handpicked guy Malaki's leadership?
Was Obama supposed to re-occupy Iraq?
The CCC
(463 posts)The only place the Shrub and his Dick need to be is hanging from the gibbet for the sport of his own vulture capitalists.
Apologies to Tolkien.
sammy750
(165 posts)Why did Bush sign the bill making all American troops get out of Iraq. He did it in the last 2 months before he left office. Why didn't he delay it for Obama to make the decision. Bush and Cheney are really traitors to this nation.
dhill926
(16,346 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)I piss on you!
meti57b
(3,584 posts)Chemisse
(30,813 posts)Going there was a disaster, and staying there an exercise in futility.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I was in the waiting room of one of my venders this past Thursday and caught part of this while waiting for my meeting to start.
I didn't see this comment, but I have to give some credit where it's due.. From what I saw every question the fox interviewer was posing was most painfully obvious they were trying to get Bush to slam on President Obama, and from the part that I saw, Bush was actually refusing to rise to it. Bush actually seemed like he was trying to more defend Obama, and the job he has to do than trying to criticize. Frankly I was quite shocked, and for the first time that I can remember had a small bit of respect for him.
He, and his administration does still need to stand trial for war crimes imo. Even if ultimately no sentences are handed out, when the US goes to war, invades a soverign nation based on information that ultimately turns out to be completely false, and the end result is we invaded a nation that we should never have invaded, we should hold the administration to the question. It is a huge shame on us that we have never been held to account for.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)with their illegal war. They need to be sitting in the Hague being judged for their war crimes.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)to enlist for Iraq but couldn't explain why he wouldn't?
Funny but I can't find any video clips of him or transcripts about that. I can't recall who interviewed him either. He made the rounds for a while and was a sure-fire punching bag.
There is this one but it's not what I remember seeing.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Obama tried to convince Iraqi to let us keep troops there and failed.
The only way we could have stayed was to destroy the pretense of Iraqi sovereignty.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)rpannier
(24,330 posts)You're fingerprints on it
The whole thing has been a mess from the beginning
For him to even comment is just beyond belief
tomp
(9,512 posts)as if anything happens in Iraq on its own. there are innumerable hands in the middle east stirring the pot. imperialism is the source of the problem there. the middle east is a hornet's nest of devil's bargains. it would be extremely difficult for any new govt to handle the onslaught of imperialism. as if anyone ever expected we would leave iraq and that would be that. imperialist forces CHOSE to destabilize iraq. everything is going according to plan, i.e., the rich are getting richer off the backs of the poor (or soon to be poor).
treestar
(82,383 posts)We are told that Dubya had already agreed to the procedure that ended it.
merrily
(45,251 posts)It's true when you give Obama credit for withdrawal from Iraq and its just as true when POS says we should not have withdrawn. Facts are funny that way.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)That was the Iraq policy under Bush. He even fired Larry Lindsey for suggesting it would cost as much as $200 million.
Bush never learned the lesson of Vietnam -- probably because both he and Cheney were draft dodgers in that conflict. Clinton didn't have American forces fighting on the ground in Kosovo and while that was messy the outcome was far superior to what happened in Vietnam and Iraq with large numbers of Americans on the ground fighting the war as an invading army. And now the delusional Bush has gone from we will be greeted as liberators to we need an occupying force on the ground forever. Bush is just as clueless today as he was when he first unleashed this mess in the first place.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Maybe he was thinking of welcoming tourists to Hawaii.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)Lenomsky
(340 posts)F him!
unblock
(52,253 posts)let's hope the lesson sticks.
merrily
(45,251 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Why don't they pull themselves up by their boot straps?
Where's Iraq's personal responsibility?
Are they gonna depend on the US government forever?
Are they just more takers and deadbeats like the billions of welfare queens we have here in the US?
lark
(23,105 posts)You, you selected by SCOTUS piece of shit, put the bigoted Sunni hating Maliki in charge to be sure to keep the sectarian violence going. You want a 2nd shot at the Iraqui oil which you failed to secure the first time around. Or is it that Cheney needed more money to keep the evil going so you created the conditions for ISIS, making sure they got a bunch of American munitions so they would be viable threat? YOu have no right to ever open your mouth and preach to anyone else. You, sir, are a traitor and the grandson of a traitor. Truth be told, your dad is probably a traitor too, he just hid his involvement with bribing Iraq to hold the prisoners better is all.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)You and yours need to be dropped off in Iraq to face the judgment of ISIS.
I personally would pay to see that!