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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:20 PM Oct 2014

George W. Bush on ISIS: America has learned its ‘lesson’ on Iraq

Source: MSNBC

Former President George W. Bush is pointing to the resurgence of violence in Iraq as validating his belief that American troops should have stayed in that war-torn country instead of withdrawing in 2011.

“They’re not ready to do it on their own, and that’s the lesson we’ve learned recently,” Bush told Fox News on Thursday.

It was a rare public comment on a policy matter from the former president, who has done few interviews since leaving office in early 2009. The implicit criticism was also noteworthy coming from Bush, who led the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, a war that ultimately cost nearly 4,500 American lives, trillions of dollars, and created the destabilizing environment that led to the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and other extremist groups.

The interview came as U.S.-led airstrikes continue in Iraq and Syria, where ISIS militants have seized large swaths of territory. The American-trained Iraqi military has proved incapable of stopping the terrorist group, suffering a number of high-profile defeats and abandoning several Sunni cities.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/george-bush-isis-america-has-learned-lesson-about-iraq

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George W. Bush on ISIS: America has learned its ‘lesson’ on Iraq (Original Post) alp227 Oct 2014 OP
Fuck you, war criminal sakabatou Oct 2014 #1
Seconded hibbing Oct 2014 #32
I'll give that a third rec. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #39
I fourth it. nt valerief Oct 2014 #48
Fifth it Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2014 #59
6th!!! Rhiannon12866 Oct 2014 #63
Tripled! ReRe Oct 2014 #68
nt sakabatou Oct 2014 #70
mission accomplished Enrique Oct 2014 #2
Wasn't it Bush who signed the treaty that the troops would leave in 2011? OnlinePoker Oct 2014 #3
Dec. 14, 2008 Enrique Oct 2014 #14
Thanks for that link, man! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #24
We can tell people that Bush gave the order.... candelista Oct 2014 #27
Sad but true. But I'll still tell them :) arcane1 Oct 2014 #31
Me too! maddiemom Oct 2014 #85
GWB second guess Obama liberal from boston Oct 2014 #52
Thanks for the link. It sets things straight. nt candelista Oct 2014 #53
And the takeaway from that little piece of theater? BobTheSubgenius Oct 2014 #65
Exactly. BlueMTexpat Oct 2014 #43
Go home W. You're drunk. n/t Gore1FL Oct 2014 #4
He could be having a senior moment. candelista Oct 2014 #25
Bush is pushing the GOP to sneak his brother Jeb, into office the florida way. DhhD Oct 2014 #66
Oh fer the love of shut the fuck up BeyondGeography Oct 2014 #5
If he believed that why did he sign the agreement that called for them all to leave by 2011? tularetom Oct 2014 #6
This unelected war criminal belongs in the Hague. Dawson Leery Oct 2014 #7
MUST. LOOK. FORWARD. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #13
How? yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #33
Prison is 100% deserved. merrily Oct 2014 #79
blood on your hands, George. grasswire Oct 2014 #8
Bush has no conscience. The drugs see to that. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #12
Big of him to take time off from oil painting to weigh in. I'm sure its just what Republicans want. zonkers Oct 2014 #9
Sociopath blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #10
Go back to your ranch Plucketeer Oct 2014 #11
ISIS is the reult of his and Dick Cheney's unneeded war in and on Iraq. Botany Oct 2014 #15
K & R Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #26
and neither will the media too Botany Oct 2014 #38
(@#%(@#*UR@_(#*HP@*$P U Bush! benld74 Oct 2014 #16
What lesson what that George? JHB Oct 2014 #17
boots on the ground constantly if a GOPer Iliyah Oct 2014 #18
"The lesson we've learned recently.." Learn any lessons about bombing a country just because you Cha Oct 2014 #19
The real lesson to learn is to never ever elect another member of the Bush crime family. olddad56 Oct 2014 #20
Amen to that! Rebl Oct 2014 #22
"My brother would like to be President." Another recent quote from war criminal. merrily Oct 2014 #78
Back from vacation? L0oniX Oct 2014 #21
Asshole. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #23
FOX always can count on their viewers stupidity and ignorance .. of course they don't know the facts YOHABLO Oct 2014 #28
I think we should extradite Bush to Iraq. Let him explain this to them in a court room Scootaloo Oct 2014 #29
Strap him to his old man and parachute them in. Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2014 #44
idiot defacto7 Oct 2014 #30
Not just any idiot. Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #46
Yes George- you taught us well Marrah_G Oct 2014 #34
Zip up the pie hole W and go paint us a picture... DreamGypsy Oct 2014 #35
FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FUCK WilliamPitt Oct 2014 #36
Bush signed the pullout agreement LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #37
Bush is the metric for catastrophe theory polynomial Oct 2014 #40
Not sure if I can post what I'm thinking right now Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #41
He misspelled. America has learned lesson about Saudi Arabia. And mistakes about repukes in general. truthisfreedom Oct 2014 #42
oh look, chimpy mcmonkey pants* throws shit. Javaman Oct 2014 #45
Reporter ignores the FACT Bush signed the treaty to leave in 2011. blm Oct 2014 #47
George W. Bush on ISIS: America has learned its ‘lesson’ on Iraq The CCC Oct 2014 #49
Traitor Bush sammy750 Oct 2014 #50
and let the re-writing of history begin....... dhill926 Oct 2014 #51
STFU! Why aren't you in prison, you miserable waste of ectoplasm? ColesCountyDem Oct 2014 #54
Fuck the hell off shrub! Phlem Oct 2014 #55
George who??? meti57b Oct 2014 #56
Right. We should stay there forever, because whenever we leave it will be too soon. Chemisse Oct 2014 #57
Actually the little snippet I'd caught in the waiting room on Thursday didn't look so bad. Amimnoch Oct 2014 #58
Iraq was stable but starving before *co destroyed the country WhiteTara Oct 2014 #60
He's forgotten the flinging shoes and shouts of Get Out? Zen Democrat Oct 2014 #61
Remember when that douchebag twerp Pierce Bush was telling young people valerief Oct 2014 #62
He negotiated the troop withdrawal yurbud Oct 2014 #64
Shut the fuck up, Georgie. n/t deutsey Oct 2014 #67
You signed the agreement Dumbya rpannier Oct 2014 #69
still an idiot. tomp Oct 2014 #71
Yet when we give President Obama credit for ending the Iraq war treestar Oct 2014 #72
Because it's true? merrily Oct 2014 #81
"We Will Be Greeted As Liberators" DallasNE Oct 2014 #73
Cheney said they'd hang flowers around necks of our troops. merrily Oct 2014 #82
Still trying to create his own version of reality. nt BootinUp Oct 2014 #74
Two faced, double dealing brainless retard! Lenomsky Oct 2014 #75
the lesson is, elect democrats. unblock Oct 2014 #76
Just STFU, you POS. Don't you dare talk about Iraq. Ever. merrily Oct 2014 #77
Georgie why did you sign the agreement to leave then? jwirr Oct 2014 #80
yes, don't vote in an idiot named bush samsingh Oct 2014 #83
They’re not ready to do it on their own AlbertCat Oct 2014 #84
Once again, fuck you Shrub. lark Oct 2014 #86
The lesson: We should not have invaded in the first place. (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2014 #87
Go fuck yourself, Liar! KansDem Oct 2014 #88
Go to jail mfker! butterfly77 Oct 2014 #89

OnlinePoker

(5,722 posts)
3. Wasn't it Bush who signed the treaty that the troops would leave in 2011?
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:22 PM
Oct 2014

Over on the right wing sites, they're saying Obama should have "negotiated" harder to keep U.S. troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
27. We can tell people that Bush gave the order....
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:37 PM
Oct 2014

But no matter how many times we explain this, they are still going to think that Obama ordered the pull-out. Because it's something in character for him to do. Because he's a liberal, and this is the kind of thing liberals do. And because 2008 was a long time ago, and who remembers what happened then?

52. GWB second guess Obama
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:27 PM
Oct 2014

Lawrence had a segment w/Phyllis Bennis about this. Here is the link of the segment that the meme of the republicans is to rewrite the history of Iraq: http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/did-george-w-bush-second-guess-obama-337189955657

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
65. And the takeaway from that little piece of theater?
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 03:23 PM
Oct 2014

NOT that a major piece of policy had been negotiated and signed, but that someone threw a shoe. Unfuckingbelievable.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
66. Bush is pushing the GOP to sneak his brother Jeb, into office the florida way.
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 05:52 PM
Oct 2014

Nobody will be paying attention as the War Hawks are brainwashing Americans back to the year 2003: hiding the Bush Family Evil Empire of Warmongering Sales behind chards of the IS.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
6. If he believed that why did he sign the agreement that called for them all to leave by 2011?
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:27 PM
Oct 2014

Oh well, I'm sure our famously liberal media will nail him on that little inconsistency.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
8. blood on your hands, George.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:28 PM
Oct 2014

Dripping, dripping blood.

I hope the screams of dying children and the wails of their mothers haunt him at night.

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
9. Big of him to take time off from oil painting to weigh in. I'm sure its just what Republicans want.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:29 PM
Oct 2014
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
11. Go back to your ranch
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:29 PM
Oct 2014

Cow boy. Go help some of your younger relation get into military uniforms so's they'll be ready to defend our freedoms.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
15. ISIS is the reult of his and Dick Cheney's unneeded war in and on Iraq.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:34 PM
Oct 2014

His war created the conditions that made ISIS.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
38. and neither will the media too
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:22 AM
Oct 2014

w didn't know the difference between Shia and Suni less the 2 months before starting
his unneeded war.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
19. "The lesson we've learned recently.." Learn any lessons about bombing a country just because you
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:39 PM
Oct 2014

felt like it, a$$hole?

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
28. FOX always can count on their viewers stupidity and ignorance .. of course they don't know the facts
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:40 PM
Oct 2014

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
37. Bush signed the pullout agreement
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:11 AM
Oct 2014

because Iraq said that since they were now an independent state again, Americans, especially mercenary contractors, who BushCo. hired in the thousands @ 10x the cost of an average private. Mercenaries that had decided, looking at their superiors no doubt, that they were above any law, and killed civilians for fun. And it was getting so out of hand that even the puppet Prime Minister had to do something, like actually holding them accountable for once. BushCo. knew this would be a political nightmare because he knew that this gang of thugs they hired wouldn't be able to restrain themselves. His administration set the tone in the first place with their anything goes "dark side" approach. So they in fact were the most responsible for the forcing of the hand of the Prime Minister, which their response was to run away...run away...nothing to see here folks.

polynomial

(750 posts)
40. Bush is the metric for catastrophe theory
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:28 AM
Oct 2014

President Obama is the commander in chief to make good on his election pledge to stop the war in Iraq. It is a mess but Obama did not brake it Bush did! and it was the wrong.

In my opinion now knowing that basic law of Islamic governance is accomplished through laws of the Quran is something that makes it virtually impossible to have peace at any time since Christ. Let alone try to change Iraq to a Democracy in a few years.

Iraq is a government that is a solid law faith based society. In contrast whereas America, we the people separate the church and state, or at least try to do so.

With that knowledge plus a host of other countries that went in on the deal to go to war violating a basic sovereignty that presented a shallow threat shows that America and those that followed Bush are professionals that broke the system in at least two levels.

The intellectuals will not admit it and nor will the media that was complicit in war profiteering via the military industrial complex, and the banking scam now more considered as the economic swindling of the century historically recorded.

All which should be an ongoing expose through debate describing the use of secret lies the use of a shadow government here in America and in the war in Iraq with secret mercenaries then and now likely working with ISIS, abuse of basic citizens amendment rights in the Constitution and torture.

The one percent have shown the world we are in the plague of war.

To consider any Bush in a political office is insane…
 

Mister Nightowl

(396 posts)
41. Not sure if I can post what I'm thinking right now
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:36 AM
Oct 2014

Suffice to say, it involves Mr. Bush and 12,788 curse words.

truthisfreedom

(23,148 posts)
42. He misspelled. America has learned lesson about Saudi Arabia. And mistakes about repukes in general.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:37 AM
Oct 2014

FUCK the bushes.

blm

(113,065 posts)
47. Reporter ignores the FACT Bush signed the treaty to leave in 2011.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:08 AM
Oct 2014

And why is Obama to blame for the failures of Bush's handpicked guy Malaki's leadership?

Was Obama supposed to re-occupy Iraq?

The CCC

(463 posts)
49. George W. Bush on ISIS: America has learned its ‘lesson’ on Iraq
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:10 AM
Oct 2014

The only place the Shrub and his Dick need to be is hanging from the gibbet for the sport of his own vulture capitalists.
Apologies to Tolkien.

sammy750

(165 posts)
50. Traitor Bush
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:30 AM
Oct 2014

Why did Bush sign the bill making all American troops get out of Iraq. He did it in the last 2 months before he left office. Why didn't he delay it for Obama to make the decision. Bush and Cheney are really traitors to this nation.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
57. Right. We should stay there forever, because whenever we leave it will be too soon.
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 06:34 AM
Oct 2014

Going there was a disaster, and staying there an exercise in futility.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
58. Actually the little snippet I'd caught in the waiting room on Thursday didn't look so bad.
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 07:30 AM
Oct 2014

I was in the waiting room of one of my venders this past Thursday and caught part of this while waiting for my meeting to start.

I didn't see this comment, but I have to give some credit where it's due.. From what I saw every question the fox interviewer was posing was most painfully obvious they were trying to get Bush to slam on President Obama, and from the part that I saw, Bush was actually refusing to rise to it. Bush actually seemed like he was trying to more defend Obama, and the job he has to do than trying to criticize. Frankly I was quite shocked, and for the first time that I can remember had a small bit of respect for him.

He, and his administration does still need to stand trial for war crimes imo. Even if ultimately no sentences are handed out, when the US goes to war, invades a soverign nation based on information that ultimately turns out to be completely false, and the end result is we invaded a nation that we should never have invaded, we should hold the administration to the question. It is a huge shame on us that we have never been held to account for.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
60. Iraq was stable but starving before *co destroyed the country
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 10:18 AM
Oct 2014

with their illegal war. They need to be sitting in the Hague being judged for their war crimes.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
62. Remember when that douchebag twerp Pierce Bush was telling young people
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 01:10 PM
Oct 2014

to enlist for Iraq but couldn't explain why he wouldn't?



Funny but I can't find any video clips of him or transcripts about that. I can't recall who interviewed him either. He made the rounds for a while and was a sure-fire punching bag.

There is this one but it's not what I remember seeing.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
64. He negotiated the troop withdrawal
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 02:13 PM
Oct 2014

Obama tried to convince Iraqi to let us keep troops there and failed.

The only way we could have stayed was to destroy the pretense of Iraqi sovereignty.

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
69. You signed the agreement Dumbya
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 02:17 AM
Oct 2014

You're fingerprints on it
The whole thing has been a mess from the beginning
For him to even comment is just beyond belief

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
71. still an idiot.
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 07:33 AM
Oct 2014

as if anything happens in Iraq on its own. there are innumerable hands in the middle east stirring the pot. imperialism is the source of the problem there. the middle east is a hornet's nest of devil's bargains. it would be extremely difficult for any new govt to handle the onslaught of imperialism. as if anyone ever expected we would leave iraq and that would be that. imperialist forces CHOSE to destabilize iraq. everything is going according to plan, i.e., the rich are getting richer off the backs of the poor (or soon to be poor).

treestar

(82,383 posts)
72. Yet when we give President Obama credit for ending the Iraq war
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 09:40 AM
Oct 2014

We are told that Dubya had already agreed to the procedure that ended it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
81. Because it's true?
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:44 AM
Oct 2014

It's true when you give Obama credit for withdrawal from Iraq and its just as true when POS says we should not have withdrawn. Facts are funny that way.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
73. "We Will Be Greeted As Liberators"
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:22 AM
Oct 2014

That was the Iraq policy under Bush. He even fired Larry Lindsey for suggesting it would cost as much as $200 million.

Bush never learned the lesson of Vietnam -- probably because both he and Cheney were draft dodgers in that conflict. Clinton didn't have American forces fighting on the ground in Kosovo and while that was messy the outcome was far superior to what happened in Vietnam and Iraq with large numbers of Americans on the ground fighting the war as an invading army. And now the delusional Bush has gone from we will be greeted as liberators to we need an occupying force on the ground forever. Bush is just as clueless today as he was when he first unleashed this mess in the first place.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
82. Cheney said they'd hang flowers around necks of our troops.
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:45 AM
Oct 2014

Maybe he was thinking of welcoming tourists to Hawaii.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
84. They’re not ready to do it on their own
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 12:20 PM
Oct 2014

Why don't they pull themselves up by their boot straps?
Where's Iraq's personal responsibility?
Are they gonna depend on the US government forever?
Are they just more takers and deadbeats like the billions of welfare queens we have here in the US?




lark

(23,105 posts)
86. Once again, fuck you Shrub.
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 04:49 PM
Oct 2014

You, you selected by SCOTUS piece of shit, put the bigoted Sunni hating Maliki in charge to be sure to keep the sectarian violence going. You want a 2nd shot at the Iraqui oil which you failed to secure the first time around. Or is it that Cheney needed more money to keep the evil going so you created the conditions for ISIS, making sure they got a bunch of American munitions so they would be viable threat? YOu have no right to ever open your mouth and preach to anyone else. You, sir, are a traitor and the grandson of a traitor. Truth be told, your dad is probably a traitor too, he just hid his involvement with bribing Iraq to hold the prisoners better is all.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
88. Go fuck yourself, Liar!
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:32 PM
Oct 2014

You and yours need to be dropped off in Iraq to face the judgment of ISIS.

I personally would pay to see that!

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