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OhioChick

(23,218 posts)
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:59 PM Apr 2012

Visa rejections disrupt Indian IT operations in US

Source: Economic Times of India

5 Apr, 2012, 07.53PM IST, Mini Joseph Tejaswi,TNN

BANGALORE: The US visa restrictions are causing huge disruptions in the onsite activities of Indian IT companies. Visa rejections are at an all-time high and companies are not able to send enough support and maintenance staff to their client locations overseas to complete projects on time.

"We promised a client in the Bay area that we would be sending 15 people from India to support it onsite. But we could send only three people, the rest were denied visas," said the global sales head of an IT firm in Bangalore who did not want to be named.

He said the client was very unhappy because it meant they had to depend on available alternatives, which were either costlier or of poorer quality.

Another official of an IT firm said that the visa scarcity was compelling Indian companies to hire additional talent at the customer location, paying often as much as 60% more. "It has a direct impact on our margins. For almost half a dozen clients, we have not been able to meet delivery commitments in time. On some occasions this even led to heated arguments with the clients,'' he said.

Read more: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/visa-rejections-disrupt-indian-it-operations-in-us/articleshow/12547888.cms

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Visa rejections disrupt Indian IT operations in US (Original Post) OhioChick Apr 2012 OP
"talent" Skittles Apr 2012 #1
I said this in another thread . . . that word's getting WAY overused. HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #23
I've seen the work of Mumbai folk Skittles Apr 2012 #24
Underpaid IT guy here. anti-alec Apr 2012 #2
Been there. Done that. TahitiNut Apr 2012 #15
they sound whiny Enrique Apr 2012 #3
Let's give the Visas to doctors instead. FreeBC Apr 2012 #4
Prevailing Wage??? ChromeFoundry Apr 2012 #5
No, its just not "as" needed now cstanleytech Apr 2012 #13
In the IT field, there never was a shortage needing filled. ChromeFoundry Apr 2012 #17
My comment is directed towards yours broad claim that the H-1b and L1 visa is not needed. cstanleytech Apr 2012 #20
All I am stating is that these programs are ChromeFoundry Apr 2012 #21
These are L1 visas that they're whining about. Lasher Apr 2012 #6
Fuck Indian IT dbackjon Apr 2012 #7
Ditto. TahitiNut Apr 2012 #22
Long ago I tried to help an Indian friend get a job in the States renate Apr 2012 #8
Have to take care of yourself before you can take care of someone else. Neoma Apr 2012 #12
It's also a national--and company--security issue meow2u3 Apr 2012 #25
There are plenty of talented IT workers here looking for jobs rox63 Apr 2012 #9
What's wrong with hiring American workers in America? perdita9 Apr 2012 #10
Once again an us vs them.. All of the peons fighting for the scraps, while the glowing Apr 2012 #11
"Being forced to hire more people at the customer location" eridani Apr 2012 #14
As an IT worker I'm so happy to hear it. TNLib Apr 2012 #16
Here's a video of a guy at a conference coaching companies on how NOT to hire Americans riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #18
Thanks for sharing that disgusting video Lasher Apr 2012 #19
Kick n/t ihavenobias Apr 2012 #26

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
23. I said this in another thread . . . that word's getting WAY overused.
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 12:50 PM
Apr 2012

Beethoven was talented. Mike Oldfield is talented. Adele is talented. Gary Oldman is talented. Elton John is talented. Chuck Close is talented. Steve Reich is talented. Lisa Gerrard is talented.

I don't know that being able to bullshit better than others, making bad OOP or calculating derivative equations that translate into more profit for a company puts you in the same distinction as the individuals mentioned above.

 

anti-alec

(420 posts)
2. Underpaid IT guy here.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:02 PM
Apr 2012

Hello - I'm an American and a qualified IT guy...

It's cheaper to hire us than to import H1-B visas.

I hope US gets smart and deny all H1-B's from now on until job outlook improves for Americans.

It's way past time to kick those cheap alternatives out.

Time to pay up - and big time, corporations. You're continuing a criminal enterprise and certainly RICO charges. Remember, the law views you as a citizen, and we, the American people, should file charges against these morons.

 

FreeBC

(403 posts)
4. Let's give the Visas to doctors instead.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:23 PM
Apr 2012

IT costs are not spiraling out of control. How about we hire our own unemployed workers for that?

On the other hand, we could use some more affordable doctors.

ChromeFoundry

(3,270 posts)
5. Prevailing Wage???
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:24 PM
Apr 2012

[div class='excerpt']"...visa scarcity was compelling Indian companies to hire additional talent at the customer location, paying often as much as 60% more."

So, if they were paying the H-1b visa holders the "prevailing wage"... how could they be forced to pay 60% more?

Just goes to show you that the H-1b and L1 visa program is not needed.. it's all about exploiting a lower paying pool of workers right here in the USA. Looks like the DOL is not doing their job very well.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
13. No, its just not "as" needed now
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 05:40 PM
Apr 2012

especially when we have many people with said experience out of work so ya, by all means they should be denied if the demand can be filled locally.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
20. My comment is directed towards yours broad claim that the H-1b and L1 visa is not needed.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:51 PM
Apr 2012

Assuming for the sake of argument that you are even right that it was never needed to fill any IT jobes unless you are clairvoyant you cant say it wont ever be needed in order to assist a company to fill a position.
Now what should be reworked is putting in place a stricter time limit on the visas, say 6 to 12 months if they cant find someone then they are sol.

ChromeFoundry

(3,270 posts)
21. All I am stating is that these programs are
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 09:04 PM
Apr 2012

designed to benefit companies that want to exploit low wage workers. With the average H-1B visa holder being here for 4 years, how can they not train someone in this country to perform that function in that time frame?

The vast majority of H-1b visas are in the IT market.. and zero are needed. The program should be dismantled and replaced with something designed for the fields that actually require the foreign Phd educated workers. If the demand was so great for this talent that can be found no place else, then these companies would not be complaining about the higher fees. The entire program is a scam.

L1 is the new scam. It's cheaper for companies, but there are stricter guidelines...but cheats will cheat.

Lasher

(27,638 posts)
6. These are L1 visas that they're whining about.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:24 PM
Apr 2012

L1 visas are used for intracompany transfers to the US.

There is an annual quota of 65,000 on H-1B visas and they cost more than L1 visas. Indian companies are trying to game our system by applying for L1 visas when the H-1B is called for. An incentive for this deception has always existed because there is no annual quota on L1 visas. But now H-1B visas are more expensive, so they're trying to avoid the higher costs by applying for L1s.

We could clear up a lot of this confusion by imposing an annual quota on L1 visas and by raising the fee to the same amount as that of the H-1B.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
22. Ditto.
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 12:39 PM
Apr 2012

Living and working in Silicon Valley for two decades, I saw far too much of "gaming the system" in order to drive down wages and compensation for American citizens (of ANY ethnicity) by importing folks who "knew their place." It was appallingly corrupt.

renate

(13,776 posts)
8. Long ago I tried to help an Indian friend get a job in the States
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:30 PM
Apr 2012

She and her husband had been incredibly, ridiculously, iinexpressibly friendly and hospitable to us when we were there for several weeks. Everybody we met there was the same way--not people we only met on the street, of course, but once an introduction had been made, the hospitality was actually kind of overwhelming (in a really good and really sweet way). I have the fondest memories of India and the people there, and I was thrilled to have a chance to repay just a fraction of what our friend had done for us, but we didn't have any luck with getting either of them a visa (even though they'd both been educated here and had graduate degrees and--this is what I think is key comparing then vs. now--there wasn't an unemployment crisis at the time). It was even hard to figure out who to contact, if you didn't already have connections.

So I don't have an "America for Americans" attitude at all, and I believe that everybody, whatever their nationality, deserves a chance to make the most of their life, but now with our economy trying to get up off its knees, I really think we need to take care of our own first. I am at a complete loss to understand why any visas are granted at all until there is full employment of US citizens in the field they're trying to staff.

Neoma

(10,039 posts)
12. Have to take care of yourself before you can take care of someone else.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 05:30 PM
Apr 2012

Same can be said of this.

meow2u3

(24,773 posts)
25. It's also a national--and company--security issue
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 02:46 PM
Apr 2012

Foreign workers can gain access to sensitive information that they can use against their former employers once their contract runs out and upon return to India, China, etc.
No wonder so many Chinese (or East Indian) hackers compromise American networks: they have inside knowledge of the computer systems and know the security holes. It's a dumb idea to give potential enemies the tools to bring down the web IMO. Plus, some foreign hackers can be protected by their own governments, especially if those governments are hostile to the USA.

rox63

(9,464 posts)
9. There are plenty of talented IT workers here looking for jobs
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:38 PM
Apr 2012

Let's get them hired and working before we start approving more visa for imported workers.

perdita9

(1,144 posts)
10. What's wrong with hiring American workers in America?
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:56 PM
Apr 2012

I know very little about this Indian IT company but I hate them.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
11. Once again an us vs them.. All of the peons fighting for the scraps, while the
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 05:17 PM
Apr 2012

rich assholes who exploit it all laugh all the way to the bank.. More than time for an Occupy the World and create a world in which we can all live amongst ourselves and travel beyond the imaginary lines that men created with the blood of other peon's years ago...

The world should be open to everyone to travel, experience, and live.. and no matter where one decides to live, they should have adequate means of living, health care, labor protections, clean air/ water, healthy food, and the education that they want to do what skills they were born to do.

We are under-utilizing the best and the brightest of all people from around the world. Fear of not having a home or food or a means to live keeps us continuing the squabble for the leftovers.

Instead of demanding jobs for American's.. demand real labor protections under real, humanitarian democracies for people worldwide and I bet many people who immigrate wouldn't do so.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
16. As an IT worker I'm so happy to hear it.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:21 PM
Apr 2012

I work for a very profitable company and I keep seeing allot of H1b's workers. I noticed that raises are very sparse at this company and they work people to death without paying OT. I'm hoping to get another job soon but it's been hard finding anything, there's too much competion with cheap labor from over seas.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
18. Here's a video of a guy at a conference coaching companies on how NOT to hire Americans
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:14 PM
Apr 2012

Always happy to have an excuse to re-post this video....


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/18/22435/0365

The goal is clearly NOT TO FIND a qualified and interested U.S. worker.

It's on video, believe it or not, and even presented as a selling point to peddle their services by Cohen & Grigsby Law Firm. That's right, this group of attorneys put an entire seminar on how to screw over the American worker on YouTube. Imagine that, a seminar from lawyers on how to make sure one doesn't have to hire an American worker!

Lasher

(27,638 posts)
19. Thanks for sharing that disgusting video
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:39 PM
Apr 2012

It is a sad indictment against our political system that legislation has not been developed to thwart this sinister scam.

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