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Breaking news: a video showing the killing of Alan Henning, the British man being held hostage by Is (Original Post) snagglepuss Oct 2014 OP
Why??!! CJCRANE Oct 2014 #1
Easy, they wanna pick a fight. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #3
IMO this group is more like the Mongols CJCRANE Oct 2014 #8
If by "Mongols of Legend" you mean "Shit people made up about the Mongols" Scootaloo Oct 2014 #28
That's why I said it that way CJCRANE Oct 2014 #29
Isis savages bluestateguy Oct 2014 #2
yeah, i can't imagine what's led to all this unrest in Iraq.. frylock Oct 2014 #5
I don't about you but if someone came in from ballyhoo Oct 2014 #7
I also think there's something else going on here. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #11
You aren't talking about the U.S., right? jtuck004 Oct 2014 #23
No. It's bigger than just one country. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #26
You would be wrong AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #43
Excuse #3 bluestateguy Oct 2014 #12
Which wife and daughter did Alan Henning harm or kill? seveneyes Oct 2014 #18
US intervention is part of it but so is a centuries old religious sect war flamingdem Oct 2014 #35
And most of the players are just following orders seveneyes Oct 2014 #36
Yes, I know that. So Alan Henning paid for the actions ballyhoo Oct 2014 #40
This Acceptance Of Civilian Casualties, Sir, Will Be Eagerly Expected In Discussion Of U.S. Actions The Magistrate Oct 2014 #42
Excuse #1 bluestateguy Oct 2014 #9
headinsandguy frylock Oct 2014 #13
Yawn tabasco Oct 2014 #27
perhaps you can provide your analysis? frylock Oct 2014 #31
Sikes-Picot Accord. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #14
The suspected perpetrator in these videos is British. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #15
+1 frylock Oct 2014 #16
So ISIL claims they are working to reverse it. No more valid than if Russisa said all the European 24601 Oct 2014 #39
savagary is a pox on both houses LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #6
Excuse #2 bluestateguy Oct 2014 #10
Or not. Some of us actually love humanity of all colors and creeds, closeupready Oct 2014 #19
so I take it you disagree? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #20
I know. Its like they have an axe to grind Deny and Shred Oct 2014 #30
Excuse #4 bluestateguy Oct 2014 #32
Typical. Deny and Shred Oct 2014 #33
Does this mean the UK will now start bombing Syria? CJCRANE Oct 2014 #4
Only if they're stupid. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #21
I've seen this movie before. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #24
Time to send out the nukes bigdarryl Oct 2014 #17
The alleged perpetrator is also British. Who should we nuke? CJCRANE Oct 2014 #22
Cenk Uygur says IS has its origins in Saudi Arabia. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #25
rip Alan flamingdem Oct 2014 #34
This is awful oberliner Oct 2014 #37
Even other Islamist extremists had been saying he should have been freed muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #38
the 'Arab Spring' ... quadrature Oct 2014 #41

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
2. Isis savages
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:09 PM
Oct 2014

Just waiting for the excuses that will be made to deflect the blame from the killers and how it's really the fault of the mean old United States.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
5. yeah, i can't imagine what's led to all this unrest in Iraq..
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:21 PM
Oct 2014

they probably hate us for our freedom fries or something.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
7. I don't about you but if someone came in from
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:34 PM
Oct 2014

across the border and killed my wife and daughter, I would hunt him down if it cost a million dollars. And when I found him.... (better not say). And those in IS, many in Iraq and Syria feel the same way about the United States. These people will count the days until their revenge, and their list grows with every American ancillary death.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
11. I also think there's something else going on here.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:38 PM
Oct 2014

Some powerful group has deliberately incubated this ideology and coupled it with a sophisticated social media and indoctrination campaign.

It could well be that it's spun out of control.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
26. No. It's bigger than just one country.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:15 PM
Oct 2014

In fact, thinking about it, there are probably different groups in different countries trying to steer this monster to their own advantage.

However, I think it's going to backfire on some of them.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
43. You would be wrong
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 12:48 AM
Oct 2014

This is nihilism married with charismatic leaders and the ability to offer all those who are mentally warped the ability to do as they please under the guise of faith.. There is no greater hand guiding these guys, it is lunacy in full bloom.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
18. Which wife and daughter did Alan Henning harm or kill?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:59 PM
Oct 2014

Did Alan Henning harm anyone? The savages that are doing all this killing and beheading do it because they like doing it.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
35. US intervention is part of it but so is a centuries old religious sect war
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 07:33 PM
Oct 2014

and the fact that these guys are psychopaths. Let's not forget they are Al Qaida rejects.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
36. And most of the players are just following orders
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 07:44 PM
Oct 2014

Orders from their lizard brains, most following their upbringing to believe that killing those different from you is just honky dory. Remove those that teach the hate and replace them with scientific humanists.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
40. Yes, I know that. So Alan Henning paid for the actions
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:39 PM
Oct 2014

of someone else. That's how it works--and will continue to work.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
42. This Acceptance Of Civilian Casualties, Sir, Will Be Eagerly Expected In Discussion Of U.S. Actions
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 08:38 AM
Oct 2014

After all, they will only be paying for the actions of someone else, which you find perfectly acceptable here, where a man is deliberately killed by people who claim to be affronted by U.S. and English actions. Indeed, should England react to this by, say, deciding to bomb some nearby town until it was reasonably certain several hundred Moslems had been killed, you would have no leg whatever to stand on in denouncing the action, since, after all, they would simply have 'paid for the actions of someone else' which is 'how it works -- and will continue to work'....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. Sikes-Picot Accord.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:44 PM
Oct 2014

"i can't imagine what's led to all this unrest in Iraq..."

Sikes-Picot Accord.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
15. The suspected perpetrator in these videos is British.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:48 PM
Oct 2014

We can't blame Sikes-Picot for foreign fighters inspired by social media.

24601

(3,962 posts)
39. So ISIL claims they are working to reverse it. No more valid than if Russisa said all the European
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:37 PM
Oct 2014

postwar nations/borders had to be abolished.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
6. savagary is a pox on both houses
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:32 PM
Oct 2014

Metaphorically speaking, Say there was a Muslim household with parents a daughter and two sons, and one son is a moderate and believes in compromise and one has more extreme anti-American views. One day a "Christian" American force from far away makes up a storyline in order to justify an invasion into the neighbourhood. They burst in the house shooting and when the dust settles the parents and sister lie dead. The brothers escape. Which brother's point of view will win over the other do you think?

To say that the radicalization of that part of the world, and the rise of extremism, has nothing to do with the USA's foreign policies through the decades is preposterous.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
19. Or not. Some of us actually love humanity of all colors and creeds,
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:59 PM
Oct 2014

not just white Christians. We are all part of a big dysfunctional family, and when one part has a grievance against another part, you either address it or else watch your family grow further apart.

Sorry that we aren't going to board your hatred train.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
20. so I take it you disagree?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:59 PM
Oct 2014

No excuses at all eh? So if it was an Islamic country that invaded and tortured Americans in the US for almost 10 years, (a Fox News dream) and that scenario happened in your house, and later a militia of rebel Americans showed up and asked you to join, you'd sit back and say.."I think we should just relax and listen to our Muslim overlords, they know what they're doing." And if a few of the more extreme in that militia brutally murder some Muslims they find, you'd be shocked and disgusted and put no blame whatsoever on the brutality of the invading forces. Have I got that about right?

Stick your head in the sand again.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
30. I know. Its like they have an axe to grind
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:59 PM
Oct 2014

Can't imagine why. Maybe they are simply following our previous leader : Bring It On. How dare they actually do it a few years later. Seriously, what are they thinking?

Its not like an unfounded decade-long instability took place, or that unaccountable mercenaries have been playing Army Man, cop and torturer with their neighbors and families. I mean, the paid mercenaries were our guys, not 'savages.'

I am still waiting for the excuse of the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis at the hands of the US. I know you'd think it a flimsly excuse, but maybe one could be provided?.

I'm sure you would live and let live though, BSG, if your nephew's wedding had been drone-striked because an atendee got a cell call once from a "known terrorist."

Beheadings that can be counted on one hand trump hundreds of thousands killed. Everybody knows that.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
33. Typical.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 06:26 PM
Oct 2014

What was the excuse to destabilize the region?

What is your excuse for ignoring the last 12 years?

Why are you apologizing for Bush?

Lobo27

(753 posts)
25. Cenk Uygur says IS has its origins in Saudi Arabia.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:08 PM
Oct 2014

Wahabists and what not. I wonder what the Saudi Government has any plans against IS. Though, Cenk says that half the royal family endorses wahabism, and the other side doesn't. Also mentions if the King dies shit might really hit the fan.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
41. the 'Arab Spring' ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:07 PM
Oct 2014

....................
(sarcasm)

perhaps we should destabilize
a few more countries.
any suggestions?

extra credit if conflict helps to
spread Ebola
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