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tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:53 AM Oct 2014

Premier High School Football Team Forfeits Games Amid Investigation into Hazing Allegations

Source: NBC4 New York

The Middlesex County Prosecutor (New Jersey) said it's investigating a report that seniors on the team hazed freshmen in various forms, some of which could be considered sexual assault. School officials declined to discuss details of the allegations, citing an ongoing investigation by police and prosecutors, saying only in a statement they were "significant" and "if true, would indicate that inappropriate conduct of a very serious nature had taken place within the high school football program." <snip>

Meanwhile, police are also investigating assistant football coach Charlie Garcia, 38, after they found more than two boxes of steroids and more than a dozen syringes during a traffic stop late last month.

* video re: Sayreville High School football team story at link *



Read more: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Sayreville-High-School-Football-Team-Forfeits-Games-Hazing-Allegations-Investigation-278075221.html



'Sexual acts too graphic to describe' noted in the video. The school system rep in the video responded to parents' pressure to allow games to continue now:

"The safety and welfare of our students, particularly the students on that football team come FIRST.... BEFORE a football game."

Glad someone said it.

____________


UPDATE - Oct 7, Tuesday Morning: Sayreville High School Football Season Canceled

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Premier High School Football Team Forfeits Games Amid Investigation into Hazing Allegations (Original Post) tomm2thumbs Oct 2014 OP
I would end all High School and College contact team sports. It's an embarrassment. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #1
You forgot your sarcasm tag. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #2
You forgot your thinking cap. valerief Oct 2014 #6
Actually, it was the presence of a thinking cap that led me to post joeglow3 Oct 2014 #8
Agreed. And I played pretty much every sport in HS and College n/t broadcaster75201 Oct 2014 #4
I'm with you there! Swimming, tennis, volleyball. You can get a real workout valerief Oct 2014 #5
As the parent of a high school hockey player, I vehemently disagree hack89 Oct 2014 #7
Same with me for both football and wrestling joeglow3 Oct 2014 #11
Fuck aggressive sports, I don't want to pay for someone else's kid's fucking sports. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #12
Well shit, if that is what you want, lets all accommodate you. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #14
Good for you!!! gopiscrap Oct 2014 #27
We can have hugging competitions ! Oktober Oct 2014 #43
I love sacrcastaball joeglow3 Oct 2014 #46
Busted... Oktober Oct 2014 #47
Really?? Only the "contact team sports??" Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #30
some did a study of fans vs. non-fans... yurbud Oct 2014 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Oktober Oct 2014 #42
The coaches set the tone for the program. It's heartbreaking for those kids that they got stuck in Brickbat Oct 2014 #3
Eric Dixon Reports: Sayreville High School Cancels Football, Bullies The Good In Easy Way Out al bupp Oct 2014 #9
Publicly funded schools should NOT be about promoting aggressive sports of any form. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #10
Some of us can walk and chew gum joeglow3 Oct 2014 #15
At halftime at home games, several our of HS football players join the marching band (in their pads) Brickbat Oct 2014 #18
Exactly. It saddens me when people crusade to end just the things THEY don't like joeglow3 Oct 2014 #19
Agreed. Brickbat Oct 2014 #20
Football causes lifelong brain damage regardless of whether any of us like the sport or not. yurbud Oct 2014 #35
You might want to chime in here on "dangerous" equipment joeglow3 Oct 2014 #16
No, I just don't want to fund bullies, bully sports, bully games and bully uniforms. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #21
So anyone who plays football or wrestling is a bully? joeglow3 Oct 2014 #22
+1 Oktober Oct 2014 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author radicalliberal Jul 2015 #48
Our local HS has a great football team and a 150 person marching band hack89 Oct 2014 #17
Maybe I am mistaken but gladium et scutum Oct 2014 #23
I totally agree! gopiscrap Oct 2014 #28
canceling it for at least the year was an appropriate response though their stated reason was clumsy yurbud Oct 2014 #34
Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse, Aggravated Assault, Kidnapping... KurtNYC Oct 2014 #13
Sadly, the problem is that many of the fans simply don't care. radicalliberal Oct 2014 #24
This the product of our agressive gopiscrap Oct 2014 #29
Very enlightening info you got there CANDO Oct 2014 #37
Read 'Crossing the Line' shenmue Oct 2014 #25
Get rid of high school inter-varsity competative sports gopiscrap Oct 2014 #26
You'd probably have to ditch marching bands, too Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #32
Who wants a tame society? Oktober Oct 2014 #45
I blame the coaching davidn3600 Oct 2014 #31
I suspect this happened during previous seasons rocktivity Oct 2014 #36
k and r...no text.. Stuart G Oct 2014 #38
Good move to cancel the remainder of the season. roamer65 Oct 2014 #39
Exclusive: Parent Reveals Sexual Nature of Alleged Locker Room Hazing Ritual rocktivity Oct 2014 #40
are football coaches trying to make scoutmasters and Catholic priests look better by comparison? yurbud Oct 2014 #41
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. I would end all High School and College contact team sports. It's an embarrassment.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:58 AM
Oct 2014

Further, I would tax professional sports to the greatest possible level.

No argument in their favor can be made. There's no such thing as sportsmanship or fairness.

It's a fucking joke and fans should check themselves and their values.

WTF?

valerief

(53,235 posts)
5. I'm with you there! Swimming, tennis, volleyball. You can get a real workout
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:21 PM
Oct 2014

from these with less risk of head injury.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
7. As the parent of a high school hockey player, I vehemently disagree
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:23 PM
Oct 2014

it has been nothing but a positive experience for him.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
12. Fuck aggressive sports, I don't want to pay for someone else's kid's fucking sports.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:55 PM
Oct 2014

I want shop classes and art classes and science to be sacred.

Parents who want their kids in sports can damn well do it on their own dime and after fucking school.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
43. We can have hugging competitions !
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 02:57 PM
Oct 2014

See who can give the best compliment on a smile!



Aggression has its place in society and all these attempts to weed it out are killing us.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
33. some did a study of fans vs. non-fans...
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 10:47 PM
Oct 2014

Non-fans were actually more likely to exercise and live an active lifestyle themselves.

While watching sports, fans release the same hormones players actually on the field do.

Non-fans watching have the same reaction they do the weather channel.

I can understand PLAYING almost any sport.

I can't understand getting off on watching most of them, or tying up your identity or sense of masculinity in particular with who you watch play while you sit on your ass.

Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
3. The coaches set the tone for the program. It's heartbreaking for those kids that they got stuck in
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:04 PM
Oct 2014

something so ugly and that some didn't have the character to stand up to the coaches. Here's hoping they clean house and get it right.

al bupp

(2,182 posts)
9. Eric Dixon Reports: Sayreville High School Cancels Football, Bullies The Good In Easy Way Out
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:26 PM
Oct 2014

From: Eric Dixon Reports

Gutlessness comes in many forms. In its most pernicious form, it is disguised as compassion or equality or something else sounding benign in order to cover up its true intent or effect.

This is my view, admittedly cynical, on the decision by Sayreville (N.J.) High School administrators to cancel the football seasons of each of its football squads in response to allegations and preliminary findings of bullying.

Before you continue, understand that in no way am I condoning or minimizing the hazards of bullying. Read this column carefully. My criticisms of the school administrators should never be taken as an endorsement of the behavior they are attacking. I do question the stated motives that are being voiced.

As you'll see in this article, the primary stated objective is to "take a stand against bullying."

Now, as an experienced attorney and an investigative attorney at that, I am naturally inquisitive and play my investigative cards close to the vest. Even when I publicly speculate on something, I hold something back. Anyone who is certain they know what I am thinking, especially when I comment publicly in the news media, is only very certainly an ignorant person. (You have questions? Come to the source -- me.) What I can reveal about my suspicions is this:


More at: http://www.ericdixonlaw.com/2014/10/sayreville-high-school-cancels-football.html

IMHO, this is a valid criticism of the administration's response to this scandal.
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
10. Publicly funded schools should NOT be about promoting aggressive sports of any form.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:52 PM
Oct 2014

What the fuck is wrong with us for NOT promoting education and arts and sciences???

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
18. At halftime at home games, several our of HS football players join the marching band (in their pads)
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 01:49 PM
Oct 2014

to perform. It's like that at a lot of smaller schools.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
35. Football causes lifelong brain damage regardless of whether any of us like the sport or not.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 10:54 PM
Oct 2014

At a minimum, we should do like they do in Britain and separate sports from schools.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
21. No, I just don't want to fund bullies, bully sports, bully games and bully uniforms.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 03:39 PM
Oct 2014

Not particularly fond of bully parents or internet bullies, either.

We would do well to fund education and defund bullying.

Response to joeglow3 (Reply #22)

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. Our local HS has a great football team and a 150 person marching band
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 01:46 PM
Oct 2014

in addition to vibrant arts and science programs. Why do you think they are mutually exclusive?

gladium et scutum

(808 posts)
23. Maybe I am mistaken but
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 08:06 PM
Oct 2014

Isn't the 6 or 7 hours a day spent at school prior to football practice devoted to education and arts and sciences?

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
34. canceling it for at least the year was an appropriate response though their stated reason was clumsy
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 10:52 PM
Oct 2014

They need to find out how much this was the result of lax supervision or even encouraged by the coaching staff.

No one's kids should be under those coaches supervision until their role is clarified or they are fired.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
13. Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse, Aggravated Assault, Kidnapping...
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:58 PM
Oct 2014

When stuff like this and what happened at Mepham, Big Red and Penn State come to light you have to wonder what insular bubble of insanity gets created in some of these football programs:

Mepham HS

On August 23, 2003, in the camp's Cabin 13, a senior tackle and a junior linebacker forced down a freshman player and sodomized him with a broomstick handle dipped in tissue-burning Mineral Ice. Over the remainder of the camp, the victimized player and two others were repeatedly assaulted, with the broomstick-- which had been brought to the camp from a student's home-- golf balls, and pine cones. Two other players assisted. At least one of the many witnesses vomited while watching.

No one reported the incident to any of the coaching staff. The victims were threatened with further violence if they repeated anything.

More than a week after camp had ended, two of the players required medical treatment; the anus of one player had been so severely injured that surgery was required. Initially, the boy's mother complained to the principal, John Didden. He told her to call the police herself.


http://everything2.com/title/Mepham+Hazing+Incident

To call any of this simply hazing or "horse play" or "bullying" is to avoid the legal terms that were eventually applied in the Mepham crimes:

Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse
Aggravated Assault
Kidnapping
Unlawful Restraint
False Imprisonment
Terroristic Threats
Criminal Coercion
Simple Assault
Reckless Endangering of Another Person
Ethnic Intimidation (a hate-crime charge arising from the fact that the victims were required to insult Afro-American teammates or face additional assaults)
Criminal Conspiracy


Sad to see the season cancelled for those who just wanted to play football but the dumbed down group-think that enables these physical and sexual crimes is way way out of hand. Hopefully bringing these problems to light can help end them and save football.


radicalliberal

(907 posts)
24. Sadly, the problem is that many of the fans simply don't care.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 08:13 PM
Oct 2014

Dishonorable or even criminal conduct on the part of individual players away from the game is not considered by many of the fans to be much of a problem. What is a big deal to them and takes precedence over virtually everything else is having a winning season. "Winning is everything."

What's also truly sad is that these scandals will not decrease in frequency, which means that the traumatization will continue to occur with no letup. Victims of these crimes will receive next to no justice. First, the victims are victimized by the perps. Then they're victimized by many of the fans and boosters, who have no sympathy for them. Who does?

Seems to me the only solution is moral leadership by the coaches, not to mention the principals of the schools. No doubt moral leadership is provided at some schools. But I'm pessimistic about the possibility of the culture being reformed so these scandals don't occur in the first place. My sympathy lies with the victims, both those in the future as well as those in the present and the past.

gopiscrap

(23,765 posts)
29. This the product of our agressive
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 09:43 PM
Oct 2014

belligerent, capitalistic society. At the high school level it's all about winning, at the professional level it's all about money. Fuck the victims as long as money and success is there. Competative sports such as this at this level needs to end.

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
37. Very enlightening info you got there
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:53 PM
Oct 2014

So it isn't that people such as Jerry Sandusky are evil sexual predators, it's that the important ingredient of football is exposed as the culprit. Wow, who knew? Well shit, let's just end high school education altogether, what with all the teacher on student sex crimes as of late. It can't be that predators are predators, it's the activity they choose to further their predation that must be curtailed or ended.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
25. Read 'Crossing the Line'
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 08:56 PM
Oct 2014

It's a book about hockey players abused by their coaches. Very frightening, and true story. I am sure the same thing goes on in other sports, player to player as well as coach to player.

gopiscrap

(23,765 posts)
26. Get rid of high school inter-varsity competative sports
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 09:37 PM
Oct 2014

and replace it with the arts and you would have a much tamer and intelligent society

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
45. Who wants a tame society?
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 02:59 PM
Oct 2014

Bunch of sheep who never took a hit in their life?

Cant see anything going wrong there...

That sentence is more revealing than I think you meant it to be.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
31. I blame the coaching
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 03:20 AM
Oct 2014

The coaching sets the rules and what's acceptable for the team. The coach sets the culture and establishes discipline. It sounds like a number of these players were out of control....and its been out of control for awhile.

When police are being called in to investigate abuse and hazing and your assistant coach is arrested for steroids.....yeah, I'd say your season is over.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
36. I suspect this happened during previous seasons
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:03 PM
Oct 2014

Last edited Tue Jun 18, 2019, 03:57 PM - Edit history (4)

and that there are senior players who looked at it as merely part of a ritual (or were part of it when THEY were freshmen).

Were the victims' clothing removed, or did the perps lay in wait until they were in the appropriate state of undress? Not that it matters -- if penetration of the rectum was accomplished, the perps met the federal definition of rape, not to mention being accomplices to it.


rocktivity

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
39. Good move to cancel the remainder of the season.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 07:56 PM
Oct 2014

The safety of kids is more important than a stupid game.

I have no sympathy for those who were whining about this decision.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
40. Exclusive: Parent Reveals Sexual Nature of Alleged Locker Room Hazing Ritual
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 12:29 PM
Oct 2014

Last edited Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:14 PM - Edit history (3)

NJ.com: It would start with a howling noise from a senior football player at Sayreville War Memorial High School, and then the locker room lights were abruptly shut off. In the darkness, a freshman football player would be pinned to the locker room floor, his arms and feet held down by multiple upperclassmen. Then, the victim would be lifted to his feet while a finger was forced into his rectum. Sometimes, the same finger was then shoved into the freshman player’s mouth.

This disturbing hazing within the storied Sayreville football program, as told to NJ Advance Media on Wednesday by the parent of a player in the program, happened almost every day in the locker room this fall, he said. The allegations — for the first time — provide details to the events that sparked a criminal investigation by local and county police, and prompted the cancellation of the remainder of the Sayreville football season this week by Superintendent of Schools Richard Labbe.

Madeline Thillet, speaking at Tuesday night’s board of education meeting, said her son was one of the members of the team interviewed by investigators. She downplayed the hazing while protesting the cancellation of the season. “I was at the police station with him when they were questioning him,” she said. “They were talking about a butt being grabbed. That’s about it. No one was hurt. No one died. I don’t understand why they’re being punished. I think that the forfeited game was punishment enough.”

Fingers in rectums fit the legal definition of rape that the DOJ established two and a half years ago:

Justice.gov: “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.

Keeping the students safe is important, of course -- but so is holding them accountable. It is their actions (including their toleration of them) that have ultimately led to their not only losing their football season, but to disgracing their teammates, coaches, school, families, and community. However, I don't see anything happening to the perps legally unless there's a major snitching epidemic.

Here's hoping that the family of the parent who came forward doesn't get torch-and-pitchforked out of town. And I hope Mrs. Thillet hasn't sealed her son's fate -- the others may decide to gang up and blame the whole thing on him.


rocktivity

P.S. New Jersey rock legend Jon Bon Jovi, who recently tried to buy a piece of an NFL football team, is a Sayreville War Memorial alumnus.


yurbud

(39,405 posts)
41. are football coaches trying to make scoutmasters and Catholic priests look better by comparison?
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:14 PM
Oct 2014

Because they are succeeding.

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