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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 11:56 PM Oct 2014

Venezuela ordered to pay Exxon $1.6 billion for nationalization

Source: Reuters

A World Bank arbitration tribunal on Thursday ordered Venezuela to pay Exxon Mobil Corp around $1.6 billion to compensate for the 2007 nationalization of its oil projects in the country.

The amount is far below the up to $10 billion that Exxon had originally sought and the $6 billion at which the World Bank's International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID) capped the case, excluding a tax claim.

"The Tribunal has found that the expropriation was conducted in accordance with due process, that it was not carried out contrary to undertakings given to the claimants in this respect and that the claimant have not established that the offers made by Venezuela were incompatible with the 'just' compensation requirement of (...) the Bilateral Investment Treaty," ICSID said on its website.

In a brief statement, Exxon said the decision vindicated its view that Venezuela failed to compensate it fairly at the time.

Read more: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-must-pay-exxon-1-6-billion-nationalizations-172534967--finance.html

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Venezuela ordered to pay Exxon $1.6 billion for nationalization (Original Post) Zorro Oct 2014 OP
World Bank: world's # 1 criminal organization Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #1
When enough countries decide to say corporations are NOT more powerful than nations. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #2
Good luck getting even that percentage of the 'ask.' MADem Oct 2014 #3
Sounds like they may well pay: muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #4
We shall see! They've been saying they'll pay their airline bills for well over a year! nt MADem Oct 2014 #6
Venezuela should tell Exxon to get lost newfie11 Oct 2014 #5
They cannot afford to alienate the big oil companies hack89 Oct 2014 #9
Exactly LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #13
No need, they just won the case. JackRiddler Oct 2014 #15
great news!!!!!!nt newfie11 Oct 2014 #16
I hope they don't pay it. eom roody Oct 2014 #7
They would quickly regret that choice hack89 Oct 2014 #10
I don't think this will make oil companies trust VZ even if they do pay. FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #11
That's a win for Venezuela. FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #8
The good news is that a paltry 1.6 billion probably isn't enough... Orsino Oct 2014 #12
Venezuela won this case... JackRiddler Oct 2014 #14

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
1. World Bank: world's # 1 criminal organization
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 12:02 AM
Oct 2014

When is somebody going to shut down both of those criminal organizations, WB and EM?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. Good luck getting even that percentage of the 'ask.'
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 12:37 AM
Oct 2014

Maduro doesn't pay his bills...except when he gets threatened by the Chinese. Then he'll cough up some oil.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,319 posts)
4. Sounds like they may well pay:
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 05:26 AM
Oct 2014
Venezuela has not said whether it will appeal. But the foreign minister said the decision was "reasonable".
...
Foreign minister Rafael Ramirez called it a victory for Venezuelan sovereignty over "exaggerated claims", referring to the much higher amount indicated by the Exxon Mobil.
...
A previous decision in 2012 ruled that PDVSA, the state oil company, should pay Exxon $908m.

Venezuela has since paid a portion of that award, which will be taken into account in calculating the balance that Venezuela owes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29561345

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
5. Venezuela should tell Exxon to get lost
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 07:10 AM
Oct 2014

The history of what Exxon has done to countries in SA is appalling.
The distruction and pollution is horrific.
I'd tell em to F**k off.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
9. They cannot afford to alienate the big oil companies
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 11:00 AM
Oct 2014

VZ needs their money, technology and expertise. There are good reasons VZ's oil production has been steadily declining.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
13. Exactly
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 02:45 PM
Oct 2014

In this twisted world, a country is "fined" by some global capitalist self-appointed body for taking back their own resources on their own land, after being pillaged for decades by multinational corporations that were defended by foreign money, influence, and covert operations.

Its like the school bully that beats up and steals a weaker student's lunch every day. Eventually the student grows up and tells the bully that its his own lunch and he can't have it anymore. So the school tells the student, that if he now wants to keep his own lunch he's going to have to pay a "fine" to the bully.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
10. They would quickly regret that choice
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 11:02 AM
Oct 2014

VZ desperately needs help from the large oil companies to modernize their oil infrastructure and develop new sources. Their oil production has been steadily declining for a decade and the decline in oil revenue is killing their economy.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
11. I don't think this will make oil companies trust VZ even if they do pay.
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 11:09 AM
Oct 2014

I wouldn't trust that government enough to invest billions of dollars.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
8. That's a win for Venezuela.
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 10:27 AM
Oct 2014

No wonder they won't appeal. $1.6 billion compared to $10 billion. I'm sure Exxon overstated the value but still a nice settlement.

However, I doubt they ever pay.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
12. The good news is that a paltry 1.6 billion probably isn't enough...
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 11:12 AM
Oct 2014

...for Exxon to declare war over.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
14. Venezuela won this case...
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 09:06 PM
Oct 2014

The headline and some of the comments are obscuring that. Read the story.

"The Tribunal has found that the expropriation was conducted in accordance with due process, that it was not carried out contrary to undertakings given to the claimants in this respect and that the claimant have not established that the offers made by Venezuela were incompatible with the 'just' compensation requirement of (...) the Bilateral Investment Treaty," ICSID said on its website.
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