nobody freaked out about us doing this routinely in Guantanamo

She was kidnapped and moved to Russia. I guess the Putin apologists will be around any minute defend Putin and this illegal act.

unbelievable. I thought Russia was not part of this. I have always been told Russian troops never were in Ukraine only doing exercises in Russia. How did this Ukrainian officer end up being captured in Ukraine, transferred to Russia who again I have been told by these people here is not part of the conflict?

says she is, or a single or double agent trying to gain info. Anyone would do the same thing in wartime.

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Just curious--where are you getting this "mayor" (or "major&quot term? It's not in the article and English speakers wouldn't use the word in the way you're using it. Are you translating from Russian?

English, but I worked with Russian girls on a tv show (Boston Public) as an xtra every day for a year. I don't know the rest here, but having talked to you a few times with your interrogation manner of conversing there is not a doubt in my mind that you would be doing the same thing as Putin is doing. Remember, the West and the Candy Man falsely accused Putin of down the Malaysian airliner. Mr. "Nice Guy" Vlad Putin ended there. All sides are laying vectors. This is NOT play time.

Who is "the Major"?

"Major Putin" and look what comes up. I concur that he should have done an evaluation on the pilot. As far as him having her tortured, that won't happen. Putin is a very careful man, particularly now. In a matter of weeks he may have to enter the IS debacle with full armament. He doesn't need world opinion to reduce his 89 per cent popularity rating by having a roughed up lady pilot complaining of bad behavior. You keep letting your biases control your thought processes, like someone else who made an appearance here. Every situation is new. People change, naturally or forcefully. Putin is not the same man. He is definitely not a M type.

Here are some choice excerpts from the record of Mr. Ballyhoo....

1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=787698

Baloney. It's because of Victoria Nuland and her band

of nincompoops actions. Putin was just out riding his hog when the tires in Kiev started burning. He had to do something. Maybe if Nuland hadn't been listening to her neoncon husband Kagan, none of this would have happened. Look at this woman: if she ain't possessed, no one is.

http://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/02/08/fuck-you-victoria-nuland-and-fuck-your-whole-miserable-neocon-zionist-family/

( link to an extreme hate site, obviously Anti-Semitic )

2)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=790363


What is the matter with anyone trying to rid a town of

drugged-out gypsies? Have you ever had contacts with gypsies? They are not a savory type.

( endorsement of ethnic cleansing against Roma )

3)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=797508

Whatever has to be done to stop this

by the Right and the Nazis, sir. Some of us care about stuff like this. Some of us don't understand there just might be a conflict when the reporter of the Crimea voting happens to be on a Human Rights Group of Urkaine.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/05/kiev-and-right-sector-kristallnacht-odessa-extreme-graphics/

( links to yet another hate site )

4 )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=798523

Or...he's one of, if not the greatest,

leader of our times. He protects his people wherever they are; he throws financial crooks in jail; he maintains a morality that suits the greatest percentage of his people;, and he likes cats.

( some of that real 'Putin love', including an endorsement of anti-gay legislation in Russia )

5 )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014850023#post26

Accuses, as near as can be understood, the pilots or passengers of deliberately flying into anti-aircraft fire:

'Frame of reference....If the "victims"

knowingly and wantonly entered prohibited air space (a war zone), they are at least partly responsible for their fate. I'll leave the cute icons to you.'

It speaks volumes about the quality of mind and character of typical 'team Putin' stalwarts....

He stands against nearly everything they espouse, but they jump to his defense, no matter what. At least, most have the decency not to even participate in threads on his human rights record. They are mysteriously absent from those discussions.

I fail to understand also

Crackdown on free speech: Russian President Vladimir Putin has been widely accused of accelerating a crackdown on dissent and free speech since his return to the Kremlin in 2012. Photo: AFP Moscow: Russia's Justice Ministry is moving to close the country's most respected human rights group in what critics say is the latest attempt to stifle criticism of the Kremlin. The ministry has applied to the country's supreme court to "liquidate" Memorial, which is known for its scrupulous documenting of Joseph Stalin's repressions, as well as for highlighting abuse of civilians in Chechnya and other rights violations....

Russia's liberal opposition reacted with disgust to the legal assault on Memorial, which in past years has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

The court application was revealed last Friday, when the latest peace prize was awarded to the Pakistani and Indian children's rights campaigners, Malala Yousafzai and Kailash Satyarthi.

On the same day, the Russian state-controlled NTV channel broadcast a programme about Memorial, suggesting that its employees aided terrorists.

Memorial frequently excoriates Russia's government and in August wrote to Russian President Vladimir Putinurging him to "immediately cease Russian aggression against Ukraine". It said that Russian servicemen were "directly participating in the hostilities" in eastern Ukraine, which the Kremlin denies.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/russia-pushes-for-liquidation-of-human-rights-group-memorial-20141013-1154rh.html#ixzz3G5UDCpOK


Isn't this the sort of thing "liberals" in this country would normally abhor? The silence is deafening. I wonder why.

Yes it is, and I think it is just sick that fellow "Liberals" here on DU condone such crap and also the Russian attacks on gays. They are also very silent on that issue also.

Lets see if any of them will try and defend the indefensible or they just run away and do not leave any comments.

They will claim that human rights bodies in Russia are simply creatures of the C.I.A., that they exist only because of funding from the United States, and are aimed at imposing the will of the United States on Russia, if not at the outright overthrow of Putin himself, and probably all in the interest of preventing competition with the dollar in energy markets or seizing Russia's resources, or preventing an alliance of Russia with China and India and Brazil that will replace the United States as global hegemon if brought to fruition, and prevention of which is the chief and desperate aim of U.S. foreign policy....

might be waiting on guidance from higher or maybe an RT story

Whoever opposes the United States, or is opposed by the United States, is therefore right and good, and deserves left support. Suitable rationalizations will be supplied as necessary.

A complicating factor is that a good many on the left, particularly those who have been long at it, feel powerless and isolated, even failures, and these are ideal psychic conditions for hero worship and idolization of a strong man, for identifying with such a figure can assuage such feelings and make one suffering from them feel whole and on top.

It concentrates, I suspect, among persons who came of age in the 'hottest' period of the Cold War. People raised in the fifties and sixties were raised amid a strictly Manichean propaganda to believe the U.S. all good, the Communists all evil. Anyone with much sense found themselves sooner or later disabused of the notion the U.S. was all good, and some on that discovery simply reversed polarities rather than examine the structure of thought necessary to believe one side all good and the other all evil. Accepting that no side is particularly good, and that rather than range with light against darkness, one must sort through shades of grey and degrees of twilight and shadow, is not a comfortable thing to do, and some, to put it bluntly, funked it....

am at a loss for words after that

That's a truly bizarre post from you.

evaluation done of the Ukrainian girl pilot, Nadiya Savchenko, who was abducted by the Separtists during a fight. Did you read the Header Post?

having to do it in assignments where to have it wrong might have repercussions.

How does it feel to have that special talent?

have, a guilt of war crimes would call for due process not the determination of a psychic. Having said that, have you seen pictures of pilots sitting at their duty stations--the cockpit? Next time you do, look at their faces. Then go back and look at this woman's face. What strikes you as different?

Creative allegations... but not really any more than that.

"The mind wobbles...."

comment has a different implied or actual antecedent.

a country they say is not involved? Why are you addressing Putin as Major? Seems very suspicious if you ask me. I have never heard a westerner call him by that title.

using it. That appears to be a tag line. From what I know he was a Lieutenant Colonel in the KGB but I elected to follow the tag. Very suspicious, my ass. She is in Russia because she was abducted by the Separatists during a firefight. I suggest you start reading the Headers. My contention is that she should have been interviewed. You would have done the same. Whether you like Putin or not this is the real world out there--not some discussion board.

she was captured, interrogated and then kidnapped and sent to Russia against all rules of war and Russia keeps saying they are not part of this conflict. There is a cease fire agreement that has been signed by all parties and ids being constantly being violated by the pro-Russian side trying to capture the Airport and ports they require and she should be sent back top Ukraine as part of this agreement to exchange prisoners.

him as an example to follow? Well, that's what they're doing. Remember, Duck, I keep abreast of this stuff as much or more than you. You have a bias against Putin. I don't; I don't do biases anymore. I judge a man for what he is doing on each situation at different times in his life. Judge not lest ye be judged. Anyway, if I learn the girl was roughed up or tortured, that will be it for Putin in my book. But that won't happen.

I do not support Putin but I do not sink to name calling. I find it interesting that you would think Ukraine is attacking from it's weakest positions and not the other way. The pro-Russians need a port so they attack Mariupol after the signed cease fire. They need the Donetsk airport, so the attack that after the signed cease fire. They need the power station in Shchastya and attack it after the signed cease fire agreement. I am not blind. In the long term Russia will not stop untill the take the south coast of Ukraine to their seized territory in the sovereign state of Moldova. This gives them a total land bridge and the offshore rights and ports.

comrade Major Putin

99% seem to be Putin, President Putin, Mr. Putin.

I have never seen Major Putin before you used it

Just the beginning..............

A search of this site gives more results but all early results from a single poster, except for the usage in this thread.

I just did the search per his request. Google

If we search DU for "Major Putin", we find only 2 people using it - you, and ColesCountyDem. And you seem to be the only person calling him 'The Major'.

Thanks for telling us that you're a psychic, and you can determine people's guilt by the presence of their eyes and mouth in a photo. This gives us a very good idea of how much attention we should pay to your claims. I'm indebted to The Magistrate for reminding us that you are the anti-Roma bigot - see reply #19. I thought the perpetrator of that vileness had left DU, but I see you are hanging around like a bad smell - you've just transferred your hate elsewhere.

And, lady, I was adjudged by the jury for the "Roma" post a long time ago. Apparently you have never heard of the concept of double-jeopardy. Why have a jury system and a system of removal if the self-appointed Josh Randalls are going to keep bringing them up?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=917145

Of the posts you thought proved your point in some way:

1: ColesCountyDem: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=879115
2: ColesCountyDem: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=883300
3: ColesCountyDem: http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=886396
4: This thread - after you had posted "The Major", but ColesCountyDem again
5: same one as 3
6: ColesCountyDem: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014889061

You didn't "suggest I read the board", by the way - you asked "did you read the Header Post?". There was nothing about "The Major" in this thread, header post or anywhere else, before you used it. It's a private language between you and ColesCountyDem.

Double jeopardy? Are you seriously saying that once your prejudice has been exposed, we are all meant to forget about it, as if having a post hidden absolved you? Oh you poor, poor thing - you've suffered for your bigotry, haven't you? Surely the punishment of a hidden post should mean we all forgive and forget!!!

I'm no lady, by the way - but thanks for bringing that 1940s feel to the conversation. It somehow seems to make your racial bigotry a bit more commonplace.

by DU members. And that post was already posted on the board had you taken the time to look. But, then, that would have been too much trouble--much like your inattentiveness regarding the queen's binoculars. Bigot? From a singular post? Yeah, right.... The jury system does in fact absolve those for posts made in haste or by mistake. I presume that is one of its functions. Else the board would be vacant except for the Josh Randalls. Yes, by all mean, you should remember all things about all posters from the beginning of their post that you enumerate them months later. Jefferson and Madison would have loved you.

Here's how you can tell - put the following into the DU search box, to exclude the used by you or CCD:

"major putin" -"colescountydem" -"ballyhoo"

The single result you will get back is someone talking about "some major Putin apologists on DU" - no capital, and clearly meaning "significant", not the rank. Every other result for "Major Putin" is you or CCD.

"And that post was already posted on the board had you taken the time to look."
You posted the idiotic "The Major" in #3; I asked what the fuck you were wittering on about, in #11. You posted your failed "you're full of it" post in #42; in #59 I pointed out that you and CCD were the only DUers to use it - because I had already read your failure of a post and checked it out.

My "inattentiveness regarding the queen's binoculars"? Huh? I asked about the binoculars; I was told you can get 'binocular stands' which display binoculars as a jaunty angle. How is that 'inattentive'? What has it to do with this, at all?

Bigot? Yes, you are. From anyone's point of view. You wrote a post expressing hatred for an entire ethic group. Mistake? I don't think anyone believes you posted that by 'mistake'.

for the "anyones" of the world, thank GOD. (sic). Again, google "Comrade Major Putin Democratic Underground" and then get back to me in few hours when you have found all the citations. As far as Coles County goes, that person and I don't agree on anything. That is my final post to you. I would suggest you suspend your harassment of me for a single post written months ago. "i requiem meam doleat" And by the way, your explanation of Shakespeare re Romeo and Juliet a year ago left a lot to be desired...

As The Magistrate showed in #19, you have a history of using bigoted sites. It was enough for you to get suspended. Again, excluding you and CCD from the google results shows it's only you 2 who use the phrase.

"My explanation of Shakespeare re Romeo and Juliet a year ago"? So you are banned member who has returned as a zombie?

tolerance is one thing, but tolerance of hate, bigotry, and RW Putin-lovers is another

Then I am sure ballyhoo can post many links to those posts. By my searching it has been only the two.

An example is your invocation of 'double jeopardy' here.

Double jeopardy refers to being put to trial twice for the same act of law-breaking, specifically after being acquitted initially. Even here, it does not apply when the same act breaks the laws of more than one jurisdiction; it is not double jeopardy to try a person in both a state and federal court for the same action, if it broke both a state and a federal law.

Publication of a criminal record, however, has nothing to do with double jeopardy. A criminal record is a fact available to the public, and which may be pointed to as something to be borne in mind when a person's character is considered. Having a criminal record is something which follows a person for the rest of their lives, just as having a college degree or a military decoration does. People are entitled to know these things about a person. It is no one's fault but your own you have complied such a gaudy and repellent record here. You consider hate sites to provide sound and useful reporting and analysis, you have made bigoted comments, and endorsed bigotry in others. These are facts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=917059

There has always been a certain Munchausen quality to the fellow's performance here, but the comments here in this thread are still a little surprising.

Here is another tit-bit from his 'greatest hits' al;bum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025470575#post122

"Every country has a progression with respect to gay rights. Putin

AND the Russians still don't believe in it. I am not going hold him responsible for doing what the people want, especially when 6 girls create a riot in public. If these girls would have done that here in 1970, they would have gotten far more time that what was given Pussy Riot in Russia. People are different and viva la difference. I don't talk about gay rights on this board; it is a done legal deal. I talk about them every day on utube with folks far more volatile than the people in. I was in Maui and Lahaina in March. I didn't see any gays so I didn't have a chance to talk to them.Gays and I disgree on one thing and that's what I talk about with them. But I don't agree with random acts of violence in disobedience of the law when one has been told what will happen."

One does wonder what this 'one thing' he and 'gays' disagree on, that he talks about with them....

Interesting how they know which pilot flew a jet on a certain mission.
What bullshit

When Ukr troops crossed the border, rank-and-file soldiers were allowed back but officers were fingerprinted and copies of their documents made.

Numerous--hundreds--of charges have been alleged against people from Kolomoyskyi and Taruta down to artillerymen and soldiers accused of war crimes, ethnic crimes, intimidation, etc.

Some of it could have the purpose of allowing confiscation of property and funds. Some is just intimidation--they can no longer travel freely, since Interpol's been apprised of some and has no way of saying, "Sorry, that's a political charge masquerading as a criminal case." Some merely restricts the people from visiting Russia or, as it turns out, the Crimea and parts of the Donbas that many hail from or have friends in.

All of it is, of course, PR.

The torture done by pro-Russians, tying up people to poles so others can humiliate and beat them, none of that counts. In fact, none of it is reported. One woman, now a political appointee in Ukraine, was knocked to the ground and beaten--broken nose and ribs, massive bruising. When her attacker was finally identified, Moscow furnished the attacker asylum, a warm welcome, and a stipend as a guest.

Water boarding anyone?

should be prosecuted.

And anyone who supports this is a fascist piece of excrement.

Your citizens aren't happy with you Mr. Putin

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"Sanity is statistical."