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He'll survive this politically. He's very popular.

He was very wrong though. He handled it well at the beginning, and then caved to pressure.

A lot of us noticed it though.

to quarantine them. Their families can stay, friends can visit, the caregivers themselves are restricted from going out anywhere.

No, you don't need to retrace everywhere someone went before they got sick when they were non-contagious. You need to continue to reassure the public of how ebola is, and isn't, spread.

Better than in a tent, better than no pay, but still not based on science or medicine. Still politics.

stays home and watches for symptoms. It does not mean sitting in a tent in a hospital. But it does mean avoiding contact with others when possibly contagious.

How does this counter republiscum saying democrats care more about west africans then americans? When they say vote republican or die from ebola democrats can't wuss out on this!

is more important than looking like you're swinging your dick around (the con method of campaigning). I think at home quarantine is a compromise that keeps the public safe and keeps the health care workers coming home from behaving like they're in a prison. If we already didn't have two health care providers who thought they knew better than everyone and got on two very public methods of transportation, this wouldn't be necessary.

The nurse sought advice from the CDC... and she followed it. The doctor was following the existing protocols of the CDC and Doctors Without Borders.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2014/10/24/ny-doctor-craig-spencer-followed-msf-protocols-for-staff-returning-from-ebola-stricken-west-africa/

10/24/2014

"NYC Doctor Craig Spencer Followed Proper Protocol After Returning From Ebola-Stricken West Africa"
David Kroll

<<Neither MSF or federal, state, or city public health officials require that medical professionals caring for Ebola-infected patients completely isolate themselves upon returning home. Instead, they require the following:

1. Check temperature two times per day
2. Finish regular course of malaria prophylaxis (malaria symptoms can mimic Ebola symptoms)
3. Be aware of relevant symptoms, such as fever
4. Stay within four hours of a hospital with isolation facilities
5. Immediately contact the MSF-USA office if any relevant symptoms develop

These guidelines are the same as those used by the CDC for anyone returning from Ebola-affected countries in West Africa.>>

an airplane or a subway was what they had in mind. If the doctor thought that was a good idea, he's an asshole.

she had 99.5. they told her not to be concerned, until 100.4

so. you would have the fact wrong.

the doctor on the subway did not have a fever. later he had 100.3. not 103 like was reported. the DECIMAL was put in the WRONG place. the doctor had 100.3 under cdc and called and told them he needed transport and at this point was staying in his apartment.

WHEN IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO DO SO.

self MONITORING has been 100 percent effective. non fail. success even.

those would be the FACTS you lack.

You seem to think I'm running around with my hair on fire thinking everyone is going to get ebola. I don't need the science lesson. All I'm saying is that when you fucking live around 8 million other people, staying close to home and not getting on MASS transit might be a much better idea. But whatever, I'm watching the far right freak out about ebola and the far left freak out about a nurse whose whining about human rights. I think both sides are nuts at this point.

reinforcing stupid. so we do not have situations where people are placed in a tent without a shower or flushing toilet.

except you also have doctors saying it can be airborne, it can mutate, blah, blah, blah. For every single thing the CDC comes out with there is someone with M.D. after their name saying the opposite. You can't blame the American people for being confused. I don't think either governor was acting out of malice - just feeding ignorance which is why any lawsuit is a loser.

not a slight majority, not 50/50, but the vast majority of the doctors and scientist say.

you would have to work really hard to be misinformed.

absolutely wrong. The question gets asked "can it be airborne". The answer is NOT 100% no. If a person is showing symptoms and they cough in your face, yes you can be exposed. That's all anyone needs to hear. When the CDC gave that nurse permission to fly (and lets remember, she DID come down with ebola), they lost the trust of a large percentage of Americans. We just got lucky she didn't present with symptoms on the plane. I know how hard it is to actually spread ebola but that doesn't mean I want someone within the incubation period standing next to me on a crowded subway. We all blasted that Dr. Snyderman person for going out during that period so I don't really see the difference here.

sound like just one more person who who cannot handle someone not being in 100% agreement with you. That's your problem.

contradictory messages are being vomited out every single day? That you expect the average American to be able to decipher medical information is asking way to much. But stay on your high horse. It's so helpful.

they knew better than everybody." They followed the advice of the experts whose instructions they were SUPPOSED to be following. You can make your point without implying these health care providers were somehow rogue, arrogant or irresponsible, unless you have evidence to support that. They have paid a pretty high price for their altruism and don't deserve unfounded character attacks. These are private citizens who answered the call to service. They are not public figures who voluntarily signed up for this kind of treatment.

for breaking her quarantine and she didn't go to nearly a public place the doctor and nurse did. She didn't get on the subway or on an airplane. Why the difference? the only person who has done everything right is Nina Pham. She didn't even let her family visit her.

self monitoring has been 100% effective.

or comment at all, to the best of my recollection. I believe she was under a voluntary quarantine and agreed to not leave her house--a condition she knew was not medically necessary, and she violated that agreement-- but that's a different situation: she violated a protocol she had agreed to follow; even if it wasn't medically necessary, she agreed to it. Spencer and Vinson were following their respective protocols. When Vinson was unsure, she asked for clarification from the CDC, and she followed that advice.

I think your information about Nina Pham is incorrect:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nina-pham-ebola-20141016-story.html

<<Her boyfriend, who has not been identified beyond the fact that he works at Alcon, a Fort Worth-based eye care company, has also been admitted to the hospital and was being monitored in isolation, a family friend said.>>

As I read it, nobody was able to visit her home.

In terms of her family not being allowed to visit, I hadn't heard that (which of course, doesn't mean it's not true). The only thing I would add is the family lives in Fort Worth (not Dallas), which isn't far away, but not a lot of time transpired between treating Duncan and testing positive, so there might not have been a large window of time for them to visit, anyway. (Like... if she was treating Duncan when he died, that was only four days before she was diagnosed... but I've never seen information detailing just when--and how long--she was his nurse.) From the beginning, I paid a little extra attention to her story because my youngest child was born in Vietnam and she and Nina share the same last name. (VERY common Vietnamese name, so kind of a random reason to pay more attention!)

She asked them to stay away during the incubation period. I think she was being responsible using an over-abundance of caution.

(I know that wasn't a requirement of the official protocol.)

A few reports do mention her boyfriend being monitored, so it seems either those reports are wrong or the reports you heard are wrong... unless she asked her family to stay away but not her boyfriend?

Another one:
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20141012-compassion-has-guided-dallas-nurses-career-friends-say.ece

<<...Also Monday, Alcon Laboratories confirmed that the second patient who has been placed in isolation under watch for Ebola works for the Fort Worth-based company.

The worker, who was not identified by name, is an “associate” who was admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas on Sunday. The person has been identified by others as nurse Pham’s boyfriend.

Khoi said that he knew the other person being monitored is a friend of Pham's​, but said he did not know their relationship.

“This measure was taken due to the fact that the associate was in contact with the Texas Health Presbyterian health care worker who has recently tested positive for the virus,” according to a statement from Alcon....>>

I never considered that they would require a person to live 21 days in a tent. Good heavens!

Quarantines should be imposed on the household in which the quarantined person lives. As I recall (and I was very young), there were signs posted on the doors of houses in which someone was quarantined. If a person really has ebola, then the quarantined individual has to go to a hospital for good care.

When I was young and was quarantined for scarlet fever, I ended up in a hospital. That's the way it should work.

I know mine were not. They drove 32 miles daily to give me a shot.

Will they have to live in a tent? Perhaps a camper in the parking lot?

maybe this time the health care worker WILL stay in isolation until the other medical professionals are sure they are clear!

the medical staff did just that. they followed procedure. they have had a 100% SUCCESS rate, and you are complaining somehow?

really? wow.

And you're never going to be President.

He could've strolled into the White House in '88 OR '92.

No idea what it was, but it was a dealbreaker. Something crash-and-burnworthy, I suspect.

He's definitely a dick, and in many ways.

Nothing. So it's useless.

I'd love to see all of the screamers if someone who rode the subway or bowled with the NYC doctor gets Ebola. The back pedaling would be amazing.

stuff outside the door and call on the cellphone as he's departing.

Or, if they go for takeout, do the same thing--pay over the phone by credit card, have a worker come out and leave the stuff on the sidewalk or hood of their vehicle, and then they can leave their car and get the stuff and go right home. This wouldn't work if lived in close quarters, but in single family housing it would be fine.

It's not that hard to avoid contact with people. If that doctor had done it the right way, she wouldn't have gotten any pushback, either.

Common sense--it's so uncommon when it comes to this, for some reason.

countries has transmitted the virus.


This is overreaction and politicians playing to the fears of this country. WE NEED to stop this.

Dr. Spencer was not putting anyone in danger and neither has anyone health worker returning.

they spiked fevers. Health care workers followed protocol and caused no one to get sick. The tragic ignorance of basic information is shocking to me. The hysteria being breathlessly pushed by the news media is designed to get people to vote republican. Fear makes people more conservative. It is cunning, but harms our society by increasing ignorance and putting unfit people in charge. Even republicans get sick from viruses and bacteria, but they are too ignorant to understand it. Republicans are a danger to public health by slashing budgets and preventing regulations that protect public health.

Good post, sir.