And he's up for another trial on the attempted burglary charges.

But the apparent fact here is that England called another guy and then the two of them went after Jefferson, and Jefferson was assaulted with a club, and shot England when Jefferson was down on the ground.

That is self-defense. You are going to have a hard time convicting any one on charges in that circumstance. What were Jefferson's alternatives at that point?

So yeah, he's a bad guy, but the law doesn't allow private citizens to beat bad guys up, and maybe to death, does it? Is any jury going to convict Jefferson of murder or manslaughter for that? You can't even prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jefferson intended to shoot him - he might have just meant to pull out the gun and fired accidentally. It sounds like the prosecution charged him with pointing a weapon and maybe he pled to that, but you are not going to be able to convict someone of a homicide in those circumstance.

That's not even SYG. Stand your ground is about negating the duty to retreat in certain circumstances. There's always a right of self-defense when you are facing several people who have already attacked you and you are already down.

There is justifiable homicide in every state, and there always was (although the law didn't always protect blacks who killed whites in self-defense, or Hispanics who killed whites in self-defense).

If I were on a jury I couldn't convict Jefferson of anything like murder or manslaughter for that, and I wouldn't want to shake the hand of anyone who did!

Private citizens just don't have the right to attack people - even bad guys. That's what lynchings used to be all about.

...the police spokesman said that they were investigating it as a possible hate crime, but that all options were still on the table, etc. I haven't heard anything else in that vein since then.

Tulsa officials mentioned this weekend that they would have gone for the federal hate crime charges if that was the only way to up the punishment..but given that there were three murders and OK has the death penalty, they can't up it anymore than it will be already with state charges.

I saw on The Tulsa World that their combined bail amount is like $18 million--each given around $9 mil bail amount.

law, ie self defense rule in OK?

Seems like this stand your ground law is a complete poison bill. That said, vengeance killings of people is a torrible way of letting out frustrations with the law. Educated oneself and working in the system to over turn this bs law is the right way to go. Thats why I commend Color of Change. They are working within the system regarding Alec one of the main groups who sponsor horrible legislation thru paid for politicans.