Russian TV claims it has photo of downing of MH17
Source: AP-Excite
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV
MOSCOW (AP) Russian state television has released a satellite photograph that it claims shows that a Ukrainian fighter jet shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. But the U.S. government dismissed the report as preposterous and online commentators called the photo a fake.
All 298 people aboard the Boeing 777 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur were killed when it was shot down July 17 over a rebel-held area of Ukraine. Ukraine and the West have blamed the attack on Russia-backed rebels using a ground-to-air missile.
The photo released Friday by Russia's Channel One and Rossiya TV stations purportedly shows a Ukrainian fighter plane firing an air-to-air missile in the direction of the MH17. The channels said they got the photo from a Moscow-based organization, which had received it via email from man who identified himself as an aviation expert.
The U.S. State Department on Friday dismissed the Russian TV reports as yet another "preposterous" attempt by Moscow to "obfuscate the truth and ignore ultimate responsibility for the tragic downing of MH17." It renewed a call to Moscow and Russia-backed separatists to "grant unfettered access for international investigators to the crash site."
FULL story at link.
Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20141115/eu--russia-ukraine-malaysian_plane-e0036722c5.html
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)His dog was wearing a GoPro. Go home, Russia, you're drunk.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)the question is: why the delay?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)with glaring mistakes in the image.
George Biltwho said he is an MIT graduate and aviation expert with 26 years experience, but would not provide further biographical detailssaid that he had come across an earlier report by the Russian Union of Engineers (RUE) blaming a Ukrainian fighter jet for the crash, and thought that it concurred with his own amateur findings. When he saw the picture online, Bilt wrote to Andreyevsky, the expert from the broadcast, with a link to the forum where the image was posted, clearly stating that he had found it there.
Those folks are either desperate or totally unprofessional, he said.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/russian-tv-airs-clearly-fake-image-to-claim-ukraine-shot-dow
BumRushDaShow
(129,127 posts)Thank goodness there are still some sane folks in Russia!
uhnope
(6,419 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)up by the vast majority of Russians.
Russia does not care what rational people outside Russia think.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)i think only about 30% believe FOX news (still a dangerously high #)
former9thward
(32,028 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and the U.S. has essentially said "We'll release all we know once you release all YOU know..."
former9thward
(32,028 posts)That is the type of answer I would expect by two eight-year olds. Just release it.
7962
(11,841 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Glad your picture was in color. Nazis were a big thing in 1937.
'The more things change, the more they stay insane.'
Yes, that is a Swastika on the Hindenburg as it flies over NYC. It also flew over Boston, New Jersey and to a US Naval Station.
In New York City, funeral services for the 28 Germans who lost their lives in the Hindenburg disaster are held on the Hamburg-American pier, on May 11, 1937. About 10,000 members of German organizations lined the pier. (AP Photo /Anthony Camerano)
German soldiers give the salute as they stand beside the casket of Capt. Ernest A. Lehmann, former commander of the zeppelin Hindenburg, during funeral services held on the Hamburg-American pier in New York City, on May 11, 1937. The swastika-draped caskets were placed on board the SS Hamburg for their return to Europe. (AP Photo /Anthony Camerano)
Trigger Warning if one goes to the link. Photos, some victims and those who escaped injury. The USA and Germany were getting along then:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/05/75-years-since-the-hindenburg-disaster/100292/
Later, Germany showed its true colors.
'And that's when everything started to go wrong.'
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)...the flowers are out of season.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)in Brisbane about Isis, Ebola and the Russian Aggression in Ukraine and the "downing of MH17." being the greatest threats to the world. There's a video around of his statement which seemed odd that he would mention the "downing of MH17." It didn't seem to fit.
So...I guess he got the word that there was a photograph released.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)before and after
rustydad
(761 posts)There is so much propaganda coming from our government about Russia, Putin, Ukraine, it amazes me that so many here at DU go along like sheeple.
Cha
(297,323 posts)RT all you want.. A Russian state run tv network. We have fox "news" that is a gopropagandistic anti-government station.. same with cnn.. tea-bagger nation.
mallard
(569 posts)Putin recently made a point about Western aggression causing major instability. This lengthy speech was largely ignored by our free press in the rush to maintain a bad image for Russia. Indeed propaganda from our own side is rife and some eager commenters here seem over zealous and twisted if not straight up paid-for shill.
Actually the likelihood of a surface missile hitting a flight (directed by Ukranian air traffic controllers) at such an elevation is dubious. The Russian claim should be taken up openly instead of just getting shot down ... automatically.
While evidence from Wikileaks goes on being totally ignored in terms of any reporting, never mind legal action, it doesn't even matter if Russia even has evidence against Ukraine over this very strange 'accident'. People here are gearing up for a new cold war and apparently greeting it with a taste for seeing Putin and Russia suffer.
All the victories in Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya and Syria have apparently emboldened them.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of Russian state propaganda does not mean we have the problem.
And you stated a blatant falsehood when you claimed that surface to air missiles are unlikely to reach a plane that high.
I suggest you start getting information from non-insane sources.
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)a BUK can hit a plane at more than twice that altitude
father founding
(619 posts)Was it a regal or a verano ?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)The BUK could easily hit an aircraft flying at the altitude that MH-17 was at.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)could hit an aircraft at that elevation.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"about Western aggression causing major instability. ..."
You will of course, draw a distinction without a difference in regards to Putin's fleet of warships off the northeast coast of Australia, how it's not intended to cause major instability, and cite propaganda to bolster this bias, yes?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Some of them are so far left they meet the kooks on the far right to complete the political circle. That is the point where Alex Jones ropes them both together for clicks LOL-
Or ignorant "truthy" websites like-
http://consortiumnews.com/
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Holding an opinion different than yours maybe does a "sheeple" make. If you keep looking for the most simplistic answers, you're going to be defined as such.
Bartlet
(172 posts)Typical stupid Russian crap, they aren't even smart enough to do a decent cover up.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I'll make sure that I forward it to Putin's e-mail and the Russian Defense Ministry.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Others noted that the fighter jet looked different from an Su-25 - the type which the Russian media had consistently claimed shot down MH17.
There were also claims that the shape of clouds in the satellite image proved that it actually came from a Google Earth photo of the area taken on 28 August 2012.
Furthermore, those who carried out a reverse image search on Google found that the photograph with the two planes was not so new or exclusive after all: it was first uploaded to a Russian forum on 15 October. Its source was claimed to be "enthusiasts from the Russian wikileaks".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30064374
Turbineguy
(37,345 posts)No wonder the Russia supporting rebels didn't want international investigators sticking their noses in this.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Satellites don't even work like that