I thought they weren't allowed to do that.

Anyone who opposes them, Shias, Kurds - they're all targets for them. They will kill some people just for their religion or denomination, but they've never limited themselves to that.

They captured him - he converted to Islam. What possible reason could they have for killing him at that point?

I know it's hard to apply rational thought to these criminals, but I am just trying to understand their perspective.

How would they answer the question: "We killed him because...."

but money and power that is the driving force behind this and most atrocities. And we are equally guilty.

If so, I can't recall.

Not that there would ever be any good excuse to kill any innocent (or in my opinion, any person, short of 'real' self defense) person but the fact that they have only killed those from countries that have refused their ransom demands pretty much shows what they are about.

I understand their anger at us but killing innocent individuals is sadistic and serves no purpose.

How so?

Some others here have expressed similar sentiments, and I am inclined to agree.

I thought it was pretty clear.

it is really a simple concept if you know who you are dealing with.

I was an Intel Analyst in Iraq (several tours from 2003-2011) and we once caught a member of AQI who COOKED the children of those tribes who refused to support him and his AQI cell. When interrogated about why he would do such a thing, his response was, "because I could and they couldn't stop me". Not to go all weird or anything, but there truly are evil human beings.

Their priorities are:

1. Killing people
2. Setting up a state and purging it of anyone who's not Sunni...

I don't know if you saw this, but Shaayecanaan posted a link to a really good documentary about ISIS. There's gruesome stuff in there, like the mass execution of Iraqi troops and the James Foley video, as well as the aftermath of Maliki's massacres. I didn't know a lot of the stuff that led to ISIS having so much control over parts of Syria and Iraq before I saw that...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025798979

I thought one of the features of Islam is that anyone can become a Muslim - you don't have to be born one - and you are considered just as much a Muslim as anyone else.

Couldn't they have used this hostage's conversion as a propaganda point in that regard?

How does killing a Muslim convert and putting out photos of his beheading help their recruiting efforts?

most band together into clans or families. Like most things its comes down to power, money and influence.

Type political terrorists.

It's about military tactics, like all "terrorism."

His gruesome video is useful to boost morale. It one way to show that ISL is "fighting back."

The only constraints in war are self-imposed or enemy-induced.

Of course being American is enough to get you to the top of their throat slitting infidel list.

His conversion, his work to help civilians, meant nothing to ISIS.

There are no words to express what should happen to these motherfuckers. They are true blights on humanity.

He accomplished a lot in 26 short years. RIP.

Quite possibly they didn't recognize his conversion or thought he'd converted to the wrong sort of Islam as well, but with that biography his days were going to be numbered no matter what.

ladder.


And before anyone jumps down my throat remember the documentary Jesus Camp? training kids to be "worriers for God"

You win the award for worst hyperbole of the thread......

Jesus Camp is a doc about a bunch of people ruining their kids lives with religion. ISIS is a group that beheads people for listening to music, not having a beard and refusing to join them. I don't need to jump down your throat, you own asshatted-ness does the job quite nicely. Every thread about ISIS, there is that one jerk that wants to link ISIS to American Christians..........It is comically embarrassing every single time.....

jesus. ISIS are adults who are killing in ALLAH's name!

there are daily articles about Christians hunting down and killing people.....


I would say I give up, but you are too much fun to ignore, how a human being can arrive at such logical fallacies is interesting, please tell me more.

any religious group can snap! and to fool yourself is not good.


I know some people in my neck of the woods that believe it is God and the Gun and the do NOT like certain groups in their neighborhood.


it is all a matter of degrees.

But you are right that given the opportunity our crazies might do the same thing as theirs.

We have centuries of history to prove how given the chance religious zealots will kill in the name of God.

Really, you're afraid of a few Christians at Bible camp?

In all likelihood they probably just ran out of bodies.

"

...why people think they can gain sympathy by killing someone in this manner. "

In reality, they are not trying to gain "sympathy", they are trying to gain MONEY.

They are the one-hundredth of one percent of people who thought it was a good idea to leave their home and fly out to a desert to join this caravan of atrocities. So by definition they don't think in a normal, rational manner. (Although some of the locals may join as footsoldiers because they get a good wage).

However, the people in charge may be the big money men, but they seem to get plenty of money from other sources.

(Also note that these propaganda actions are aimed specifically at Brits and Americans. Other nationalities including Europeans don't seem to have the same focus).

You mean by OUR media.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29352537
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/24/islamists-philippines-threaten-kill-german-hostages-isis
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/04/21/225086/analysts-ransom-helps-militant.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/22/families-of-italian-aid-workers-held-by-isis-fear-for-their-lives-after-foley-s-death.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/20/islamic-state-isis-foreign-hostages-syria-aleppo

and on an on... It has to do with who pays ransom and who doesn't.

So our European allies are supporting terrorism by the back door while American troops are the ones that end up in the line of fire.

The "I'll hold your hat" syndrome?

nt

not the b-word so loved of both extremists and sensationalist media alike.

IMO the constant use of the word and images is a form of stochastic terrorism.

*Just from a quick perusal of the BBC, Telegraph, Guardian and Independent. Even the Daily Mail says "execution".

Surely it can't be just because the elections are over.

They still want to terrorize us!

For fuck's sake, it's not the WORD that's terroristic, it's the act itself!

Do you think the victims' families like the videos and details of their relatives' murders broadcast as the terrorists want?

Terrorism is not just the act, but the *effect* of the act. That's why it's called *terror*.

and everyone knows it, including the families, and don't you dare try and include me

with monsters who would videotape and broadcast such barbarism.

to do the same.

Publicitiy about the brutality of their crimes is exactly what they want, both to terrorize us and to inpsire others to terrorize us.

so I can't imagine that "lure" is going to be widely successful. Everyone else is repulsed

and outraged and I believe the "outrage" of the general public is what many are

really trying to tamp down so as to discourage a militaristic response.

They also want to inspire lone wolves and mentally unstable people to copy their crimes, which has already happened.

And ask yourself why didn't the MSM cover the massacre of 1000s in Syria?

Ask yourself, what does ISIS want, what does the MIC want, what does the MSM want?

The MSM is complicit in terrorizing us.

non- political murders.

As to why the MSM "didn't cover" the massacre of 1000s in Syria, that's not entirely true, as it HAS been

reported more than once, I heard it again just yesterday. Of course it wouldn't be covered to the extent that

murders of the citizens of our own country and those of our close allies, that's just journalism 101.

As to your other "why do you thinks", you're basically just proving my point of it being political.

I'm not saying I'm in favor of war, but I'm not a believer in soft pedaling the facts to "protect people

from themselves".

So why not use the more specific word?

What are the sensitivies of the victims' family? What is the effect of different words and images on the public?

What are the connotations of the different words used?

It seems fairly obvious to me. Remember this isn't my policy. This seems to be the new policy of the British press (as they had previously used the same word as everyone else).

WTF is taking us so long??

military/intelligence presence in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We don't have much of anything in Syria, and relatively few troops in Iraq. Plus, we don't want to kill the hostages by mistake. Kind of tricky.

because George AWOL Bush unnecessarily and illegally focused the primary national "defense" effort on Iraq, when our enemies were in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

at the end. No, I did not and will not watch. Peace to the family. The wait is over for them.


Does--did the US ever recover the bodies?

apparently. The American hostage was only shown after the event.

>>Does--did the US ever recover the bodies?<<

But with these depraved scum, I would guess not.

My theory is that he was willing to do whatever it took to survive, even "convert" to their stupid-ass sect. I've noticed that the other murdered hostages just knelt there and took it when the knife came to their throats. I've wondered if they'd even release a video of a hostage that fought back as he was being dispatched.

I guess we have our answer to that. Hopefully a lot of Moms and Dads will sit down to Thanksgiving dinner with their idealistic children who think we have to fix the most fucked up parts of the world.

It is worse than you can conceive. They don't just kill Kassig, they kill dozens of Iraqi fighters via beheading. The production quality is extremely high quality. It's the most insane thing I have ever seen. It's pure madness. The depths of pure evil.

I left out as much detail as possible. It was so beyond comprehension to me.

imagination conjure up images. yes, it is evil. In solidarity

And their religion is an absolute made-up fraud.

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white has no superiority over a black, nor does a black have any superiority over a white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves."

Prophet Muhammad’s Last Sermon

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/523/

ISIS is evil and must be stopped. The people of the region willsuffer greatly because of their evil.

They are killing religious minorities and Muslims who don't buy into their version of their religion.