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alp227

(32,037 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:20 PM Nov 2014

Some Missing Lois Lerner E-Mails May Be Found, Panel Says

Source: Bloomberg News

Some of the missing e-mails of former IRS employee Lois Lerner may have been found.

The data recovery by the Internal Revenue Service’s inspector general comes five months after the agency said they couldn’t be found. The Senate Finance Committee announced the discovery today.

Congressional investigators have been trying to track down thousands of e-mails sent and received by Lerner from 2009 to 2011. She oversaw the Internal Revenue Service unit that caused a controversy when she acknowledged it gave extra scrutiny to Tea Party groups applying for nonprofit status.

That effort started in 2010 and didn’t become public until 2013.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-21/some-missing-lois-lerner-e-mails-may-have-been-found-panel-says.html



McClatchy DC: Senate panel continues probe of Lerner, IRS

Senate Finance Cmte: Finance Committee IRS Investigation Update

WASHINGTON - Today, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Ranking Member Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) released an update on their bipartisan investigation into inappropriate treatment by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) of organizations applying for tax-exempt status. The Senators have learned that the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) has been able to recover some forensic data which may include documents the IRS believed were missing. This data may include emails to and/or from Lois Lerner which could be material to the investigation. TIGTA plans to assess whether this data can be converted into a readable format and then produce these materials to the Committee as soon as they have fully recovered and validated them.
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Some Missing Lois Lerner E-Mails May Be Found, Panel Says (Original Post) alp227 Nov 2014 OP
why WOULDN'T they give extra scrutiny to teabagging assholes? Skittles Nov 2014 #1
Attitudes like that are not helpful. branford Nov 2014 #2
Well said ripcord Nov 2014 #3
Hatred of taxes IS a constitutionally-protected political belief... jmowreader Nov 2014 #5
The Tea Party groups were engaged in activities that fell under the relevant tax code provisions, branford Nov 2014 #8
a quality post Psephos Nov 2014 #19
Here's the basic deal, when the Teabaggers started getting all pissed off, Darb Nov 2014 #10
No. branford Nov 2014 #12
Speaking as a civil servant - because we check ideology at the door. You enforce the rule of law 24601 Nov 2014 #6
they're claiming non-profit status while pimping for candidates Skittles Nov 2014 #7
You can blame the tax code regulations that actually permit limited campaigning branford Nov 2014 #9
Someone has apparently misled you regarding the distinctions between 501c(3) and 501c(4) 24601 Nov 2014 #11
and how many were denied the requested status due to the so-called extra scrutiny Skittles Nov 2014 #13
Not only irrelevant, it supports the fact that the extra scrutiny was entirely undeserved. branford Nov 2014 #14
How convienent. On the day they finally admit Bengahzi is bullshit, hope for the teabaggers... Thor_MN Nov 2014 #4
Eggs-actly what I thought: HOW CONVENIENT! DemoTex Nov 2014 #16
I like the analogy!! Thor_MN Nov 2014 #17
investigation into inappropriate treatment by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Bandit Nov 2014 #15
ISSA was fired from the oversight committe because of his many LIES. His only mission was targeted sammy750 Nov 2014 #18

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
1. why WOULDN'T they give extra scrutiny to teabagging assholes?
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:53 PM
Nov 2014

THEY ADVERTISE THEIR HATRED REGARDING TAXES

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
2. Attitudes like that are not helpful.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:06 PM
Nov 2014

Hatred of taxes is a constitutionally protected political belief under the First Amendment.

If there were a proven connection between "hatred of taxes," a belief shared by the overwhelming majority of Americans, liberal and conservative, and actual violations of the tax and criminal code, would you kindly provide evidence of indictments, prosecutions or even settlement between the IRS and any Tea Party groups, of course other than those lawsuits by the Tea Party groups against the IRS. In fact, it is my understanding that the application for the relevant tax status has been approved for all the groups or are still pending and subject to lawsuits against the IRS.

Simply, the IRS must always remain totally apolitical. One you excuse unlawful actions against your political adversaries, it will most assuredly be used against you and your allies when the government inevitably switches parties.

ripcord

(5,446 posts)
3. Well said
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:20 PM
Nov 2014

The republicans do enough things stupid and illegal that we don't need to stoop to their level.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
5. Hatred of taxes IS a constitutionally-protected political belief...
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:37 PM
Nov 2014

...but constitutionally-protected political beliefs aren't tax-exempt.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
8. The Tea Party groups were engaged in activities that fell under the relevant tax code provisions,
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:08 AM
Nov 2014

or they all would not have been approved. Whether you or others disagree with the tax code or the Tea Party groups is entirely irrelevant. If you want to change the tax code, lobby Congress.

The government cannot engage in extra scrutiny of groups, no less withhold approval, because certain civil servants do not agree with the the groups' ideology or politics. That is a clear violation of the groups' First Amendment Rights and related federal law. The IRS must always remain apolitical. This simple and undeniable truth was confirmed because of criminals like Nixon.

If it's acceptable to target and harass conservative groups, when Republicans are in power, expect identical if not worse treatment of liberal groups and individuals.

Simply, directly in response to your comment, some groups with certain constitutionally protected beliefs or activities are in fact tax exempt. Civil servants cannot treat these groups differently because they do not agree with such beliefs. The law is clear and undeniable.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
10. Here's the basic deal, when the Teabaggers started getting all pissed off,
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:16 AM
Nov 2014

which was basically when the black man got elected President and, coincidentally, with the confluence of Citizens United, many, many, many loonies thought that they could make a buck out of the gold rush of dark money that was going to flood into the political realm. Wanting to cash in, they started all these 'bagger groups which, unbeknown to them, were obviously partisan, but they didn't really understand what that meant. When they realized that uber-wealthy fucks not only want to buy elections, they wanted a tax break to boot, then they applied for 501c4 status. Otherwise, without it, they could not nurse on the golden teat.

So, all of a sudden there is a rush of applications for non-profit, unaligned groups that are obviously partisan, and, because they are ridiculously uncreative asshats, they all had "Tea" in their names.

The IRS was doing what the IRS should have done and giving them the scrutiny that those frauds deserved.

The rumpus is a fraud perpetrated by the Republican Party used to give them cover for as long as possible, which apparently they still have today and have coincidentally used to bamboozle the electorate into voting again for another group a farkin lunatics.

Get it?

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
12. No.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:39 AM
Nov 2014

If what you are saying was remotely true, there would be numerous civil and criminal fraud and related prosecutions of these groups. Could you kindly cite or link to articles or cases about how the groups who applied for the 501(c)(4) status were charged with wrongdoing, civilly or criminally? I do not believe that the IRS has even been able to cite any improprieties by these groups in the lawsuits against the IRS, and virtually all were approved. Additionally, the fact that the IRS clearly requested materials like certain membership lists that they could not legally demand, speaks for itself (some of which were leaked to private groups opposing same sex marriage, another severe breach of federal privacy laws which resulted in punishments).

For heaven's sake, the White House has already condemned the targeting. The only issue is the extent and identities of the individuals who targeted, i.e., did the orders come from the White House. High level and career civil servants do not claim their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination and government agencies do not mysteriously lose innumerable email, texts and other material from multiple high and mid-level employees, if everything they were doing complied with the law. If the targeted groups were progressive, the outrage would, quite rightly, match or exceed conservative complaints.

You may believe the Tea Party groups were getting the scrutiny they "deserved," but the law clearly does not give civil servants the discretion to make such determinations based on the content of the beliefs of such groups.

You might also note that the 501(c)(4) groups, liberal and conservative, were, and are, actually permitted under the law to engage in "limited" partisan activities. The fact that a lot of new 501(c)(4)'s supported conservative causes or even had "Tea" in their name did not remove their First Amendment protections or permit additional scrutiny by civil servants.

24601

(3,962 posts)
6. Speaking as a civil servant - because we check ideology at the door. You enforce the rule of law
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:44 PM
Nov 2014

and allow for the rights of even those who hold opposite views. It's neither illegal or unconstitutional to dislike, or even hate taxes.

There are those in government who bring politics to work. They are in elected positions, in partisan EX, SES and Schedule C positions that are term limited. But it's not for career civil servants.

Remember Linda Tripp? She was a career civil servant, probably a GS 12 or 13, who gave that up for a Schedule C GS-15. Then when the Administration ended and she declined to resign, she was terminated.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
9. You can blame the tax code regulations that actually permit limited campaigning
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:15 AM
Nov 2014

while maintaining tax exempt status, regardless of whether the groups is liberal or conservative. That fact that a liberal group may have run afoul of the law is irrelevant. If you don't like the law, complain to Congress.

Civil servants do not get to single-out groups because they do not agree with their political positions. There is no ambiguity about the law.

You can say "fuck the teabaggers" as much as you wish, but these groups still have First Amendment rights to hold their views, and cannot be treated differently by the IRS because individual civil servants or the administration find their views objectionable.

24601

(3,962 posts)
11. Someone has apparently misled you regarding the distinctions between 501c(3) and 501c(4)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:31 AM
Nov 2014

organizations. Both are non-profits, but only the c(3) is required to be non-political.

"The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration found that inappropriate criteria had been used by IRS personnel to select certain applications for tax exemption status for further review and that inappropriate procedures were applied against organizations based on their names or policy positions. According to the audit, beginning early in 2010, front-line IRS agents violated IRS policy by failing to handle tax matters in an impartial manner that would promote public confidence:


The IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review Tea Party and other organizations applying for tax-exempt status based upon their names or policy positions instead of indications of potential political campaign intervention. Ineffective management: 1) allowed inappropriate criteria to be developed and stay in place for more than 18 months, 2) resulted in substantial delays in processing certain applications, and 3) allowed unnecessary information requests to be issued. Although the processing of some applications with potential significant political campaign intervention was started soon after receipt, no work was completed on the majority of these applications for 13 months.... For the 296 total political campaign intervention applications [reviewed in the audit] as of December 17, 2012, 108 had been approved, 28 were withdrawn by the applicant, none had been denied, and 160 were open from 206 to 1,138 calendar days (some for more than three years and crossing two election cycles).... Many organizations received requests for additional information from the IRS that included unnecessary, burdensome questions (e.g., lists of past and future donors)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
13. and how many were denied the requested status due to the so-called extra scrutiny
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:06 AM
Nov 2014

out of curiosity

also I'd like to know why this warrants endless investigation while shit like 9/11 and the Iraq war got passes

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
14. Not only irrelevant, it supports the fact that the extra scrutiny was entirely undeserved.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:23 AM
Nov 2014

The fact that a group was ultimately approved is not a legal defense to the extra scrutiny, unlawful requests for information, harassment or delays prior to the approval.

There isn't a "no harm, no foul" exception to civil rights violations like those of the IRS.

DemoTex

(25,400 posts)
16. Eggs-actly what I thought: HOW CONVENIENT!
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 10:57 AM
Nov 2014

Scandal fodder on the "just-in-time" inventory control plan!

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
15. investigation into inappropriate treatment by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 10:48 AM
Nov 2014

Why would they say as a fact that there was inappropriate treatment when there is an investigation going on? How is checking on the legal status of any group "inappropriate" for the IRS? What is "inappropriate" is for the IRS to change the wording of a LAW created and passed by Congress to completely change the meaning of the LAW..Why is there not aninvestigation over that and why is it not being fixed?

sammy750

(165 posts)
18. ISSA was fired from the oversight committe because of his many LIES. His only mission was targeted
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:23 PM
Nov 2014

at Obama and that now has backfired on him. The new GOP Benzie Report clears the Obama ADM. of any wrongdoing.

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