Other than that who cares? I wouldnt want my business being destroyed either. There's NO EXCUSE for any arson or looting. ANd There are a LOT of armed people protecting businesses there. They just need to watch their step.

"What separates the Oath Keepers from other militia groups is that they recruit men and women of the military and law enforcement – vowing to disobey “unconstitutional orders” from what the group sees as an increasingly tyrannical president and government.

Many, including the police, have concerns with the Oath Keepers and their mission. Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism, called the Oath keepers an “extremist, anti-government group.”

“Everything that they say that stand for is based on this notion that the world and the government is going to become a dictatorship to try to prevent Americans from having their freedoms,” Segal said.

Ferguson is not the first time the Oath Keepers have made headlines. This past spring, after federal agents clashed with members of a Nevada cattle ranching family over the removal of a herd from federally-managed land, Oath Keepers and like-minded followers descended on the ranch to show their support."

I don't live in Ferguson but I don't think anybody needs Oath Keeper's "help".

I don't think that the bake shop owner would have liked being associated with Clive Bundy

"Don't tread on me" militia snakes. They need to be shut down and any active duty law enforcement or military that have tainted their honor with this creed of vigilantism need to lose their jobs &/or freedom.

The SPLC has a report on them, too:

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/07/25/oath-keepers-rally-reveals-radical-politics-of-group/

I'm pretty sure we have a couple posting here.

they threw a brick through a window? Where is that line where our society says it is OK to kill someone? What about breaking in entry. Or do they have to be leaving after theft? petty theft or grand theft?

But I doubt it is a black and white situation as to where the line is drawn. Certainly protecting a business from arson would be legal.

for throwing a rock through a window?

As opposed to just one person I would think so. Perhaps not for a single brick but if it was a true mob scene and the mob was violent then yes.

Mob or no mob shooting individuals is fucking retarded.

If the mob or individual was armed then ok but shoot to maim it's not War.

then the law says I can shoot. And that is what we are talking about - what the law says.

.. I'll concede that but for the sake of some merchandise/property (which I assume is insured) then no!

The Law is not always right. Stand your ground in FLA in my opinion is wrong (Zimmerman for instance albeit maybe not an ideal choice as an example).

Ferguson: They had plenty Police and National Guard and again in my opinion the first night of the firestorm was allowed to happen so the authorities could say ''See I told you so''. Police were there with Army and it's their job to protect people and property.

I should say as I normally do I'm a Brit that lives in USA for about 4 months a year so I don't know all the ins and outs but our Cops don't tend to shoot anybody and some even have guns.

you can easily claim they were throwing the rock at you.

...very much racially coded.

Are they dressed in camo? Their great-grandfathers would have been dressed in flowing white.

a business, and some asshole wants to destroy it in 20 minutes with a gas can, I'm sure you'd welcome any help you could get in protecting it. Especially since the police seem to be doing jack shit in protecting it.

And racist as all Hell. There us no way they would protect anyone unless they were White conservatives. I don't blame people wanting to protect their property. How about not announcing the verdict at night and not inflaming tensions with storm trooping jackbooted thugs in blue. Violence begets more violence. There were ways to defuse the situation and those precautions weren't taken. Anyone breaking windows or burning things down should be prepared to get their ass kicked though in my opinion. And that includes paid informants and Provacateurs. Peaceful resistance is proven to work better anyway. Threatening cops or businesses is just plain wrong and hopefully tensions subside but the work continues.

racists that want to protect me than angry people that want to destroy my business.
I support the protestors. I hate the criminal part of it that is destroying the town. They are making Sean Hannity and his ilk say "see? We're right about those people." Anything that allows them to say anything like that is irritating to say the least.

especially ones that are armed.

I highly doubt these shit heads would protect your biz if you were black, brown, red or yellow.

I would never let crazy racists with guns near me. Sadly the criminal part in this case seems to be the justice system not the protesters.

Just saying...

I seriously doubt anyone will walk up and throw a brick at a place with armed people standing on the roof or in front of it. We've seen it before, shoot the first one and the rest will scatter. I'm sick of this shit. Business people in ferguson or anywhere have zero to do with bad policing. Its being used an an excuse for robbery. Its not "frustration" or anything else. Its simple greed.

I sure hope someone monitors the activities of these weirdos.

What seems abnormal today may become the norm in the future.

and true.

Another reminder to those that don't vote.

Not your stereotypical bunch. There were Oathkeepers at the Bundy standoff.....on both sides of that infamous picture.

Yes, there is always more to every situation than appears on the surface.

Until they hurt someone or are called out by the SPLC.....I wouldn't be losing sleep.

and will do nothing to calm tensions...

And I'm sorry, exactly who "highly trains" these yokels, and what acceptable standard are they trained to? I thought anyone with a similar mindset could join them?

They police force trains them. They are service personnel and cops that think the US is going down the road to tyranny, and will refuse any orders they feel violate the Constitution.
Want to collect taxes from refusing ACA insurance? An oath keeper cop will refuse to help.
A law regulating guns or instituting background checks? They won't enforce it.
They will refuse to work with the UN. There are a lot of things they won't do.

Thanks for letting me know upfront which side of the line you're on...

On to the ignore list you go...

Link and excerpt in this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=956610

Thank you.

Over oath. Self-righteous lawlessness.

DU seems to love that attitude as long as it's not a conservative who has it...

That makes no sense. 90% of America thinks Snowden is a hero...it's one of the only things that Dems, Repukes and Independents agree upon.

It is a fantasy that 90% of Americans think Snowden is "a hero".

add up to 108%.

those numbers literally don't add up - one of them has to be wrong.

Not two responses to the same question

C'mon Please.

How about, also protecting 1st and 4th Amendment rights and shoot any cops violating those protected freedom too? I didn't think so. So much for protecting the Constitution.

been in Ferguson for a while now. How long does to take to look up a law???

....St. Louis County Police declined an interview with ABC News, but confirmed that it is investigating whether the Oath Keepers are breaking the law by providing security without a license.

the Guardian Angels.

involving active duty LE and military in their vigilante fantasies. Here's what the SPLC has to say about them:

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/07/25/oath-keepers-rally-reveals-radical-politics-of-group/

"But nearly four years later, if there were any questions still remaining about what the Oath Keepers really are, an event the group has planned for this weekend should lay them all to rest. Starting on Friday at the Farragut State Park outside Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, the Oath Keepers are hosting the Northwest Patriots and Self Reliance Rally..."

It's worth the full read, because they actively recruit present members of military/LE. Foul treasonous bastards, the lot, and the newest incarnation of the Klan, the Order, all the old racist, anti-government fringe nut-bags.

Just what we need are a bunch of armed vigilantes out there.

only one spark now to light the tinder for a full conflagration.

They love their guns and they love to have an excuse to go out and play macho man. Scary bunch of dudes.

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up there waiting for the right murder to present itself for them.

Oath keepers. Sociopaths.