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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:42 AM Dec 2014

'Hell No': Garner Family Rejects Cop's Condolences After Grand Jury Decision

Source: NBC NEWS

The widow of Eric Garner, the unarmed black man who died after being put in what officials called a police "chokehold," Wednesday night angrily rejected a gesture from the officer that offered her his prayers and condolences.

"Hell no. The time for remorse would have been when my husband was yelling to breathe. That would have been time for him to show some type of remorse, or some type of care for another human being's life," Esaw Garner said at a news conference when asked about the condolences offered by NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo after a grand jury earlier Wednesday declined to indict him for Eric Garner's death on July 17.

"No I don't accept his apology. No, I could care less about his condolences. He's still working, he's still getting a paycheck, he's still feeding his kids. And my husband is six feet under, and I'm looking for a way to feed my kids now," she said.

The Rev. Al Sharpton announced that a national march on Washington would be held Dec. 13 to demand more federal involvement in cases where police officers kill members of the community.

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hell-no-garner-family-rejects-cops-condolences-after-grand-jury-n261176

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'Hell No': Garner Family Rejects Cop's Condolences After Grand Jury Decision (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2014 OP
Agreed Dems2002 Dec 2014 #1
a culture heaven05 Dec 2014 #11
Pantaleo offered his prayers?? bvf Dec 2014 #2
Some people just throw those lines about being in their prayers, bulloney Dec 2014 #6
He could have at least offered to help support those six children! jwirr Dec 2014 #15
"I don't accept his apology" handmade34 Dec 2014 #3
There should automatically be a federal investigation PADemD Dec 2014 #4
The events of the past couple of weeks are getting ridiculous. bulloney Dec 2014 #7
This. Earth_First Dec 2014 #13
Message to Daniel Pantaleo Tsiyu Dec 2014 #5
+1 PADemD Dec 2014 #8
+1 logosoco Dec 2014 #9
This continuing torrent heaven05 Dec 2014 #10
This will continue until people in the Justice Industry Turbineguy Dec 2014 #12
good for her frylock Dec 2014 #14
Bad timing CullenBohannon Dec 2014 #16
That family really impresses me. They are so strong in the face of such tragedy and loss. CTyankee Dec 2014 #17
In support marions ghost Dec 2014 #19
IF anyone has viewed the video of Garner actually dying on the sidewalk, with many cops and EMS sammy750 Dec 2014 #18
Such brutality from killer cops marions ghost Dec 2014 #20

Dems2002

(509 posts)
1. Agreed
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:53 AM
Dec 2014

If the cop had stopped choking Garner, administered assistance immediately and Garner had still died, the notion that, even though the choke hold isn't an acceptable practice but at least the officer wasn't a callous individual would have likely carried the day.

Isn't that sad?

This is why the hashtag #blacklivesmatter is necessary. It's not because the cop started off with excessive force, it's because he couldn't hear the cries of pain.

Just like Wilson looked af Mike Brown and saw a demon, this cop heard Garner cry out and thought he was faking.

There's another video that was spread widely a few months or a year ago. A white girl hits a young black man with her car. He is writhing on the street and the cop and witnesses are comforting the girl. He cop is helping her with her story that it wasn' her fault. The implication is that this young man isn't really hurt. He's putting on a show. Black pain isn't the same as white pain.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
11. a culture
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 10:32 AM
Dec 2014

that can commit genocidal slaughter on many nations of FIRST-americans, men, women, children, old people, a culture that could enslave a whole race of people because the bible told them it was okay, among other rationalizations, a culture that could create a segregated society rivaling SA apartheid when slavery didn't work, a culture that could torture, hang, castrate, burn alive any black person, man, woman or child that dared question the superiority of white people, doesn't care if anyone other than the 'privileged' feels any pain. Some of the ones that are feeling pain are "demons" anyway, as spoken by one of the recent 'protectors' of white privilege in amerikkka. This hypocrisy has always been at the root of what we stand for as a democracy. Not very firm ground. Rome was nothing compared to this shit. Don't get me wrong human history is replete with war, greed, hate of 'others' for various reasons, murder and slaughter on a mass scale, Nanking comes to mind, Rosewood comes to mind and on and on. But for a country that claims to stand for democracy and after 300 years still not be able to provide protection and equal justice under the law because of the skin color of some of it's citizens is continuing hypocrisy of the highest order.

To see itself as the shining beacon of light that at one time said, "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these the homeless, the tempest tossed, TO ME: I lift my lamp beside the golden door". That statue is weeping in shame in New York Harbor. America, your hate is showing and hypocrisy is the only thing being shown to the world as a beacon these days.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
6. Some people just throw those lines about being in their prayers,
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:45 AM
Dec 2014

hoping God blesses them and all those other standard lines so loosely that they're meaningless. It's just another example of some people expressing their religion just for show.

I have a feeling that Pantaleo's apology and rhetoric about offering prayers falls in the same category.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
3. "I don't accept his apology"
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 05:52 AM
Dec 2014

..and I do not accept his apology either just as a citizen, I was outraged to hear his comments... I would be beyond reasonable if I were his immediate family

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
7. The events of the past couple of weeks are getting ridiculous.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:52 AM
Dec 2014

To not get an INDICTMENT in any of these cases is beyond the pale. These grand juries were not assembled to determine innocence or guilt, they were assembled to determine if there is enough evidence for a trial. AS the saying goes, a prosecutor can get an indictment on a ham sandwich if it wants to. This case in NYC was on video for everyone to see and hear! Why should minorities trust the system when this is what they get?

I'm so sick of hearing that the USA has the best health care system, the best legal system, the safest and most abundant food system, and on and on...when none of it's true. This country has gotten so full of itself that it's talked itself into believing it's the best at everything just because we're America and that's that.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
13. This.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 12:35 PM
Dec 2014

"These grand juries were not assembled to determine innocence or guilt, they were assembled to determine if there is enough evidence for a trial."

I'm willing to bet that in these cases jurors, regardless of instructions on how a grand jury works...are presuming guilt ot innocence. They'll never admit it...however that's what I believe is at play here...fostered by deeply rooted bigotry and racism.

What a system.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
5. Message to Daniel Pantaleo
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:13 AM
Dec 2014

YOU ARE A MURDERER.

You are a violent thug. You have no regard for human life. You are just another bad NYPD officer with a control freak nature and an authoritarian complex.

I feel sorry for your family, because one of them may be your next victim of your choke hold. If you will kill a man for selling cigarettes, I hate to think what you would do if one of your kids or your spouse did something worse.

You should be in prison, and not be free to kill again.

If there is a god, she will make your life a living hell, and I hope that happens. If I were a praying person, I would PRAY for your life to be nothing but misery and pain for the rest of your days.

You got away with murder. Why should anyone ever forgive you. when you won't even admit what you did was evil?



 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. This continuing torrent
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 10:04 AM
Dec 2014

of murder/executions of black males IS happening nationally, in many states and locales. Logic says it should be addressed at the national level. HOLDER!!! Where in the hell are you? Hiding under the desk somewhere? This avoidance and failure to address a serious problem of human and civil rights being abridged by 'thugs' hiding behind a badge is unconscionable. Get your ass in gear, Holder!.

Turbineguy

(37,361 posts)
12. This will continue until people in the Justice Industry
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 11:59 AM
Dec 2014

have had enough killing. And that would be policemen themselves. They need to invent some kind of control doctrine other than the empty the magazine doctrine.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
17. That family really impresses me. They are so strong in the face of such tragedy and loss.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:03 PM
Dec 2014

and I love Garner's widow. She is a righteous voice!

I hope the march being planned will be as multi-cultural as the NYC protests have been.

We are having our own "Die in" demonstration here in my home town of New Haven, tomorrow at the Yale Law School building.

sammy750

(165 posts)
18. IF anyone has viewed the video of Garner actually dying on the sidewalk, with many cops and EMS
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:50 AM
Dec 2014

standing by and none of them tried to help him. They lifted and threw him on a cart and he died on the way to the hospital. In that same video the killer cop(Pantaleo) was waving to the guy taking the video. He was smiling, knowing he just murder a man. This is the attitude of many cops.

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