A Grand Jury Did Indict One Person Involved In Eric Garner's Killing -- The Man Who Filmed It
Source: Huffington Post
On Wednesday, a Staten Island grand jury decided not to return an indictment for the police officer who put Eric Garner, an unarmed black man, in a chokehold shortly before his death. A different Staten Island grand jury was less sympathetic to Ramsey Orta, however, the man who filmed the entire incident.
In August, less than a month after filming the fatal July 17 encounter in which Daniel Pantaleo and other NYPD police officers confronted Garner for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes, a grand jury indicted Orta on weapons charges stemming from an arrest by undercover officers earlier that month.
Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25 caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel. Orta testified that the charges were falsely mounted by police in retaliation for his role in documenting Garner's death, but the grand jury rejected his contention, charging him with single felony counts of third-degree criminal weapon possession and criminal firearm possession.
In Garner's case, on the other hand, jurors determined there was not probable cause that Pantaleo had committed any crime. A medical examiner ruled Garner's death homicide in part resulting from the chokehold, a restraining move banned by the NYPD in 1993.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/ramsey-orta-indictment-eric-garner_n_6264746.html
Remind me again -- am I living in the USA or USSR?
goddess40
(6,009 posts)The cigarettes were taxed when Garner bought the original pack.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)stayed around to film it....while possessing a gun....or not getting rid of it...just stayed there even after Garner was arrested...with a gun....yep.....
Makes no sense. Except when you realize only a minimum of evidence is required to indict.....the test is "might be guilty".
End the grand jury, put that decision in the hands of a judge at a transparent preliminary hearing in open court, a judge knows the law and the standard and is not going to do just do the job grand juries are not doing.
Ms. Toad
(34,085 posts)The grand jury indictment is for an incident with Orta earlier in the month - not for his actions while filming. The framing of this article seems to me to be intentionally misleading readers to believe the gun incident was part of the filming incident.
And in an age when many people read only as far as the headline, the implication here is that Orta was indicted for filiming Garner's murder.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)I think he should do that immediately and put a thumb in the eye of the bad actors in the NYPD.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:56 PM - Edit history (1)
FYI
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)sounds like a set-up
Derek V
(532 posts)And, personally, I don't like the fucking taste!
world wide wally
(21,751 posts)Where's that?
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)you're living on a chunk of rock in space. Sharing that real estate with a bunch of creatures of "intelligent design".
Vox Moi
(546 posts)It is perfectly legal for any citizen to record, by any means at hand, the activities of all public officials, including police, in the pursuit of their duties. This includes off-duty police when engaged in activities normally associated with police work.
The person making such a recording is to be considered to be acting in the public good and shall be afforded all opportunity to make and preserve said record.
Infringement or disruption of such recording by those being recorded is a felony, punishable under law.
groundloop
(11,521 posts)It's already been ruled time and time again that it's perfectly legal to photograph police doing their jobs in public places, so long as you don't interfere with them.
And the indictment was for an unrelated incident.
Vox Moi
(546 posts)Can a citizen bring charges if a cop interferes or threatens someone for recording?
Seems to me that there is interference at times.
Thanks
catrose
(5,071 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)always said the "blacks" would start this.. clearly thats false and again clearly seems to be a police state Iran I'm living in. not quite because they'd arrest me for saying shit shit online. and it 'd probably end in alot of gunfire because I've got 2 paranoid right wingers who don't trust the government
valerief
(53,235 posts)police killings plays out. The criminals falsely punish the recorders and instill fear in anyone else who even considers broadcasting an incident of a police killing/brutality/crime.
Judi Lynn
(160,595 posts)I hope time will show them it will make people even more determined to see bullies brought to justice.
It took some real underhanded cowardly scheming for the cop to engage the guy in conversation until his little gang arrived to help him attack the man. They most surely would have had the element of surprise, as most sane people wouldn't expect the cowardly cluster to leap on and murder someone who was no threat to anyone.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)I should know.
By FRANK SERPICO
October 23, 2014
...
But an even more serious problem police violence has probably grown worse, and its out of control for the same reason that graft once was: a lack of accountability.
I tried to be an honest cop in a force full of bribe-takers. But as I found out the hard way, police departments are useless at investigating themselvesand thats exactly the problem facing ordinary people across the country including perhaps, Ferguson, Missouri, which has been a lightning rod for discontent even though the circumstances under which an African-American youth, Michael Brown, was shot remain unclear.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Our media propaganda rivals that of Tass, the Russian/Soviet government propaganda machine. The key difference is that corporations spew the propaganda here to benefit or hurt whoever/whatever they find is in their best interest. They even have a Court of Appeals decision that says it is ok for them to lie because they are no longer "news," now they are "entertainment!" They manipulate the public to support their crap in a myriad of ways.
The government benefits those with the power at the expense of the citizenry. I know that this has always been the case to some extent, the difference now is that they don't even try to hide it, and it is much more pervasive and unfair.
We now hold people indefinitely without trial, we have tortured people with no repercussions to the ones who ordered and committed the torture.
We spy on EVERYONE, foreigners and citizens alike.
When I was young I naively thought that we were the good guys and they were the bad. There are no longer any good guys, there never really were. America was supposed to be much better than what it has turned out to be. I am very sorry to say that I am no longer PROUD to be an American, or a Texan for that matter. I hope someday that will change and I will not stop trying to do what I can to make it a better place!
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)They call a grand jury for weapons charges? Isn't that overkill? (No pun intended.) How many cases does a grand jury handle in one year?
JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,133 posts)It was an incident earlier.
Please read the article and not just the headline.....
sensationalism at its worst.
Eric_323
(24 posts)The article does link to the original article on his arrest, which was after the video went viral.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/03/ramsey-orta-arrested-eric-garner-video_n_5646276.html
The connection is that Orta asserts the gun charge was retribution for filming the video.
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/08/ramsey_orta_interview.html#incart_m-rpt-1
I think this timeline is correct
July 17killing of Eric Garner
Aug 2 --- Orta arrest
Aug 15 Orta Indicted