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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:13 AM Dec 2014

Abortion 'coercion' would carry criminal penalties under Michigan proposal

Source: MLIVE.com

LANSING, MI — Coercing a pregnant woman to have an abortion could result in criminal penalties under Michigan bills debated Tuesday.

Supporters say the legislation would add teeth to abortion regulations approved two years ago, but critics argue a “vague” definition of coercion could cause unintended consequences.

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Senate Bills 1156 and 1157, introduced last week, would make it a misdemeanor crime to stalk, assault or threaten retaliatory actions against a woman in an attempt to coerce her to have an abortion against her will.

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The proposals are a follow-up to a 2012 law signed by Gov. Rick Snyder that requires health professionals to screen prospective abortion patients for signs of coercion.

Read more: http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/12/abortion_coercion_would_carry.html



Given that Michigan has a majority (R) legislature, these bills are more concern trolling than genuine concern for women's choice.

Great job, Michigan. This is what you get when you vote for Republicans. I can't wait for this state to be called Michissippi.
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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
1. Yet we here in Michigan voted in a freshman Dem Senator to replace Levin.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:16 AM
Dec 2014

Go figure. I don't understand it

Warpy

(111,282 posts)
2. Only if it also penalizes coercion forcing a woman to produce an infant she does not want
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:36 AM
Dec 2014

and is not equipped to care for.

If it put all those bogus "crisis pregnancy centers" out of business, it might be a good thing.

However, since the men behind it are all such hypocrites, they'll never recognize Christian coercion for what it is and admit the horrific outcomes.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
7. If it is about as vague as it sounds then suggesting an abortion could be coercion
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:16 AM
Dec 2014

The next step would be outlawing it and then banning the word.

duhneece

(4,113 posts)
11. Good point
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:43 AM
Dec 2014

Since NM legislators voted for the ALEC 'arrest a woman who was raped and wants an abortion' law, your suggestion may be one we need to suggest this legislative period

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
4. republicans.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:40 AM
Dec 2014

trying to get healthy food into children is wrong; trying to provide health coverage to everyone is wrong; but forcing women to have children they don't want is good. taking care of those children when the parents cannot or will not? hell, no.
oh and let us not forget that they'll be the first ones in line at the abortion clinic if an inconvenient pregnancy hits them. because they are also the most patently hypocritical humans in existence.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
8. Ain't that the truth?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:53 AM
Dec 2014

I live in the middle of ultra-conservative NW Ohio, where many tell you how they vote pro-life and post yard signs and slap stickers on their cars to prove it. They're just using the abortion issue to cover the fact they're just Republican stooges.

They call themselves "pro life," yet they vote for candidates who support the death penalty, even though time after time, our judicial system has been proven to convict people - based not by innocence or guilt - but by their economic status and/or the color of their skin.

They call themselves "pro life," yet they will tell you proudly that they voted for Bush/Cheney, the same people who lied us into a war in Iraq that has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, injuries to millions more and has left this country in the economic mess it's in.

They say they vote "pro life," and write scathing LTTEs about how Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are "baby killers" because of their pro-choice stand, yet they voted for Bush, even though Bush has been known to personally terminate a pregnancy by abortion, unlike Clinton and Obama. They'll call Ronald Reagan an iconic figure. Yet, when governor of California, he signed legislation into law that liberalized access to abortions in California. And that was before Roe v. Wade, so it wasn't like Reagan was lining up California policy with federal policy.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
14. They also hate many of the women who don't have abortions.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:34 PM
Dec 2014

The right wing believes that all pre-marital sex is wrong and that every single child born out of wedlock should be given up for adoption.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
12. So if you do an ultrasound and find fetal problems and tell the mom
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:25 PM
Dec 2014

you are a criminal for attempting to coerce her into an abortion. Same for docs who test for genetic disorders.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
13. I tend to agree with the ACLU on this one.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

The idea behind the law isn't bad (nobody should ever be coerced into a medical decision), but it's too vague and needs to be cleaned up.

That said, I've personally known two women who went through this. One was a young college student with a large trust set up by her deceased parents that was administered by her grandmother. When the grandmother found out that the young woman was pregnant, she told the young woman to either get an abortion or be cut off from all money until she was 25 (when the remainder of the trust would have dispersed to her). If she hadn't obtained an abortion, she'd have been forced to drop out of college and take a job to support herself.

The other was the wife of a (former) friend. They already had four kids, and when she became pregnant with kid #5 almost 10 years after kid #4, he told her that he didn't want to be the father of another baby, so she either needed to get an abortion or he was going to move out (yes, he was a raging asshole, which is why we aren't friends any longer). She got the abortion because she wanted to keep her family intact. It didn't matter though...he ended up leaving her not long after that anyway. He openly admitted later that he ONLY wanted the abortion because he didn't want to pay child support for another kid. The abortion saved him money.

The world is full of assholes.

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