Democrat wins Senate election after investigation reveals ‘phantom ballots’ for GOP opponent did not
Source: Bangor Daily News
AUGUSTA, Maine After mystery swirled around a contested southern Maine Senate district election for weeks, Catherine Breen who saw Election Day victory slip from her grasp after an initial recount is headed to the Senate after all.
Breen, a Falmouth Democrat, was declared the victor on election night by a narrow margin over her Republican opponent, Cathleen Manchester of Gray. Manchester asked for a recount, which was conducted on Nov. 18, and the candidates saw their fortunes reversed, with Manchester squeaking out an even tighter win.
Last week, Manchester was provisionally seated in the Legislatures upper chamber, and Republican lawmakers had already taken to referring to her as senator.
Democrats raised questions about 21 ballots from Long Island seemingly discovered during the recount, all of which contained votes for Manchester. Those ballots could not be accounted for at any step of the chain of custody for cast ballots, and state and local election officials disagreed about the total number of votes that should have been tallied from Long Island.
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Read more: http://bangordailynews.com/2014/12/09/politics/gop-sen-manchester-resigns-after-investigation-shows-democrat-breen-got-more-votes/
sakabatou
(42,159 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Response to okaawhatever (Reply #3)
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but only Democrats commit electoral fraud: James O'Keefe told me that!
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And cry wolf at us. They only worry about getting caught. They should be not only dealt with harshly but someone needs to really mess them up for this.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)From the link in the OP:
The first batch opened was designated as Lot A2 the batch at the center of the inquiry. The tally by Long Island election officials indicated there should have been 21 ballots there nine for Breen, eight for Manchester and four blanks. But as was the case during the recount, 21 additional ballots for Manchester were included, for a total of 42 ballots.
The next batch, designated Lot A1, should have had 50 ballots, according to the tally sheet 28 for Breen, 21 for Manchester, and one blank. However, when it was opened, Manchesters votes were missing.
Flynn immediately offered an explanation: Manchesters ballots from Lot A1 had been counted twice. She said its likely the ballots were erroneously put into the next lot before the first was properly put away, and then rediscovered as new ballots.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)A tad odd that only the Republican votes managed to be put in the next box to be counted.
drm604
(16,230 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)That version is attributed to Robert Hanlon. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_J._Hanlon
In his story Logic of Empire (1941) {Robert} Heinlein declares: "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity". He calls this the "devil theory" of sociology.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And keep in mind these aren't party-line ballots and there's multiple races on the ballot.
So how exactly did that happen with just stupidity?
csziggy
(34,136 posts)They were only recounting this one race when the wandering ballots were counted in the wrong polling lot.
The recounted tally is so close that the outcome of the election will be examined by a committee appointed by presumptive Senate President Mike Thibodeau, R-Winterport, and ultimately voted on by the full Senate, according to Secretary of State Matt Dunlap.
According to Dunlap and the Maine Republican Party, Republican newcomer Cathy Manchester of Gray has won the seat over Democrat Catherine Breen by a vote of 10,927 to 10,916 an 11-vote margin. Unofficial results following the Nov. 4 election had Breen ahead by 32 votes, 10,930 to 10,898.
Dunlap said that because nine ballots are in dispute and Breen hasnt accepted the results, the matter will be sent to the Senate, where an elections committee will be appointed by Thibodeau.
http://bangordailynews.com/2014/11/18/politics/state-house/ballot-recount-in-falmouth-area-election-overturns-result-could-expand-gops-senate-majority/?ref=relatedBox
If they stacked the Republican ballots and Democratic ballots from each polling place in piles, and someone wasn't paying attention to the division between piles, the Republican pile from one district could have gotten placed with the other one.
Of course, that relies on whether the person putting the piles into the groups for each polling place are capable of counting past two. In none of the articles about the election there was any mention of third party candidates, so that would mean there should have only been two piles of ballots for each polling place.
I don't put it past the stupidity of Republicans to screw up what should have been a simple, straightforward recount. First off, why have more than one polling place ballots out at the same time? Open the sealed box, count the ballots, record the results, put the ballots away, reseal the box. One polling location at a time, no two boxes unsealed at the same time.
What's interesting is even without the 21 "phantom votes" the Republican candidate gained 8 votes while the Democratic candidate lost 14.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)That's what they claimed to be doing.
The recount turned up uncounted ballots in other districts. But that was votes either miscounted or not counted, they didn't end up with more ballots than voters as in the 21.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I'd bet a nickel this is a typical sleight-of-hand method to steal elections.
right.....
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)Feral Child
(2,086 posts)and handed out bananas to a cheering crowd.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It became commonplace during the 2,000 presidential election in Florida. That is how Nazi filth took over the nation.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)There had better be some indictments or an through investigation to get to the bottom of this.
I know there little right wing tea bag governor will not do anything, but the citizens of this state should put pressure on those that knew, because it could be them next time.
This stuff should not be tolerated, this is a democracy not a third world dictatorship
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)Either way, it takes away from the Republican excuses for all of the voter suppression laws out there.
If it was deliberate (a 'harmless' dry run for future fraud), then it shows that their own people (probably) are the real election fraudsters.
If it was an accident, then it shows that snafus like this will affect vote tallies much more than any deliberate voter fraud. Why worry about one or two voters with fake ID's when you can much more easily have miscounted votes in the dozens?
Fuck Republicans and their effort to subvert democracy.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....and every time it seems the Dems response is to try to pretend it's not happening?
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Beartracks
(12,816 posts)That's an intriguing idea. They could have overhead cameras the way dealers do in a casino.
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William769
(55,147 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Ayuh.