Dick Cheney Would Torture Again
Source: Huffington Post
Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of he CIA's post-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press" on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.
"It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W. Bush administration's use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.
The Senate report on the interrogation program details forced rectal feedings that were medically unnecessary. But on Sunday, Cheney said the feedings were done for "medical reasons." The former vice president showed little remorse for the dozens of prisoners who were found to have been wrongfully detained, for the man who died in the program, or for people like Khaled El-Masri -- a German citizen who was shipped off to Afghanistan and sodomized in a case of mistaken identity.
"I'd do it again in a minute," said Cheney. He also spoke repeatedly of how the program was justified to get the "bastards" who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks.
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whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)The guy is focused on two things only - keeping his ass out of prison and doing what he can to prevent his perceived legacy to be one of a rotten, evil, traitorous bastard. His BS makes it possible for a lot of people (how many Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11?) to maintain the perspective that we had the right, and the necessity, to do what we had to do to them.
No one should expect anything resembling truth from Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the PNAC gang. They know that 'truth' would eventually land some of the bastards in prison. That's what keeps Cheney on the BS offensive - his positions are indefensible legally and morally, but as long as he keeps telling everyone that's crap and implies that the current administration should be committed to torture, etc., he keeps the truth from looking as bad as it is to the people most likely to believe him.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)This is what we get for not pushing for stronger investigations into Cheneys links to 911.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...I'm tortured.
- K&R
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)What a stupid, idiotic Black & White answer.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)tonight's dinner.
And this will not change unless we revolt in ways we simply arent willing to do.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)The only bright spot is that he won't be flying first class to nearly anywhere outside the U.S. borders. The rest of the civilized world has his number. Having no shame, he probably doesn't care. The despotic countries that would have him, however, probably aren't much fun to visit.
former9thward
(32,020 posts)or any other former U.S. leader. There are no arrest warrants or charges against any of them by any country. Real world.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Took me 30 seconds on google to find a country where Cheney has been CONVICTED of war crimes.
former9thward
(32,020 posts)Not surprising....because it is not a country at all. It was a "citizens war crimes tribunal" which has no legal standing anywhere.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)The answer is, unfortunately, never. No form of American 'press' that relies on lots of corporate advertising revenue will ever squarely ask questions like:
how did this son of a bitch take advantage of a post 9/11 traumatized citizenry to launch at least one major, disastrous war that was completely unrelated to the traumatic event?
what were the real purposes of the Iraq war?
what was it like being the ('Vice?' - hm...) President who failed to stop the worst non-state act of foreign terrorism on US soil, even though there was plenty of available information to put it all together and prevent it?
Does the process of inventing false 'intelligence' to justify a war, then lying continuously to the American people using that intelligence, constitute a crime against the nation? If so, what is the crime?
What were the true purposes of brutally torturing people who may or may not have had anything to do with the aforementioned terrorist attack?
Nope - the corporate-sponsored media, which is what most Americans rely on for 'news' (I know lots of people who accept the very concept of 'the news' to be crimes and punishment, occasional cute stories, sports coverage and weather forecasts), will never ask such questions. They have nothing to gain.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)And I hope to outlive him so I can dance the fandango on his grave while he fries in hell.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)is that I plan to eat the largest meal of the most toxic Mexican food I can find, chased down with a six pack of the skunkiest, cheapest beer available at the nearest gas station, before I make my trip to his monument to pay him my respects. And my whole family will gleefully join me.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Crap on crap? Might be just the nourishment he needs to come back to life. Now I can't stop shuddering.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)away with one thinking it torture and the other does not. I would like to refer those claiming it is not torture to study the Geneva Convention and see what is classified as torture. I don't see how the US has an out on declaring "we needed to do this after the 9/11 attacks", those like Cheney would climb a tree and tell a like when the truth sounds better on the ground. Water boarding is torture, plain and simple, Cheney needs to get it together.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)The value of a public trial can not be overstated.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)for one last ultimate, final defence of fascism being best for America.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I am not blaming any one person for this, but our system is so corrupt there is NO way he can be.
p.s. Teapartiers satisfy their wildest dreams listening to him, they LOVE to hear about torturing brown folks
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Although six psychiatrists testified during the trial to Eichmanns apparent normality, in her articles Arendt emphasizes the fact that his normalcy is only a mask. In fact, she highlights the aspects of his behavior under questioning that were anything but normal: his self-contradictions, lies, evasiveness, denial of blame about the crimes he did commit and inappropriate boasting about his power and role in the Holocaust for crimes theres no evidence he committed. Arendt is particularly struck by this mans absolute lack of empathy and remorse for having sent hundreds of thousands of people to their deaths. To each count he was charged with, Eichmann pleaded Not guilty in the sense of the indictment. (p. 21) This leads Arendt to ask: In what sense then did he think he was guilty? (p. 21) His defense attorney claimed that Eichmann feels guilty before God, not before the law, but Arendt points out that Eichmann himself never acknowledges any such moral culpability.
http://literaturesalon.wordpress.com/2013/11/21/hannah-arendts-eichmann-in-jerusalem-what-is-the-banality-of-evil/
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)2naSalit
(86,646 posts)ticks me off is that he is out on the TeeVee flaunting the fact that he still lives the life of luxury and basking in the fact that so many of us will never get close to even retiring because of him.
There aren't enough ugly,nasty curse words to describe how I feel about that guy.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)and he has lied about it forever and he is a mean and evil man. He would never serve one day in prison but it might make some of us feel better.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)don't revive it.
3catwoman3
(24,006 posts)...recieved a new heart, my immediate thought was, "I hope it didn't belong to a Democrat."
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)where a conservative receives a transplant of the heart of a liberal, and becomes liberal himself - beginning with feeling the unfamiliar emotion of guilt.
If only it worked like that in real life, especially in this particular case!
3catwoman3
(24,006 posts)Totally love Doonesbury.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)...that would inevitably lead to the activities of the current president being questioned. If Darth Dick and W are war criminals than Obama, Clinton, Poppy, Reagan, Ford, Carter, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Ike, and Truman are all war criminals, too.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)If the dog survives and is sane, it isn't torture.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Cheney should have been #1 on the list to be tortured.
The list would have ended there.
enid602
(8,620 posts)He and Bush have beem covicted of war crimes in Malaysia.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)I was saying if we had tortured Cheney first, he would have outed all those responsible, and the torture list would have ended at #1.
I wish the rest of the world would follow Malaysia's lead.
enid602
(8,620 posts)Sorry. Was trying to respond to another poster who said Cheney had not been convicted. Damn tjesr wretched cheap smart phones
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)You made me laugh.
Smart phones are not so smart (cheap or otherwise).
My son frequently sends me very garbled messages from his very expensive iphone. I keep telling him to turn off auto spell check.
I recently exchanged my iphone for a cheap smart phone. First thing I did was turn off all the smart features.
When they become half as smart as me, I'll reconsider.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)He seems to light up with enthusiasm when talking about it.
He probably kept a bathroom plunger on his desk at Halliburton for those special dressing downs he administered to unruly employees, inviting them into his office for a private "lunch" with the boss.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)old guy
(3,283 posts)It is a war crime and those that participated in its implementation, meaning you Dick, must be prosecuted. If they are not, then we have failed as a civilized nation.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)bootjackyl
(6 posts)So does anyone know of any action being taken to prosecute anyone for war crimes; or the crime of taking all of America to war for the self interests of those in the Administration?
I have found a petition on the ACLU website to request that Eric Holder have the Justice Dept appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Bush administration war crimes, but this seems lame. Does anyone know of any upcoming protest marches, billboard campaigns, other actions which could help in the advancement of ensuring that these crimes are not forgotten in a week?
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)The power to decide who gets tortured inevitably gets abused. It is similar to "mission creep" I would think. The checks and controls on who it is administered to and under what circumstances, if they existed at all, are secret and therefore untenable. Is there a "test" which must be met before someone is tortured? What steps are taken to make sure that you don't "sodomize" the wrong prisoner? How do you screen the ones to be doing the torture? I don't think that they did, they just found the most sick, twisted, bastards they could find readily available.
This is just part of the reasons why torture should never happen!
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)and his conviction that it worked.. that people are going to
start seeing things his way?
Orrex
(63,215 posts)Because, if he felt that there was reason to do it, then that's all the reason he needs.
hunter
(38,317 posts)It's better to return to earth as a botfly maggot then spend eternity in hell being raped by demons with cholla cactus penises.
If I had a Star Trek style transporter I'd send him to a place where they would try him fairly for human rights violations.
I wouldn't send him to a place where they would torture him because I am not a monster.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)He comes back as a woman. In Saudi Arabia.
xocet
(3,871 posts)hunter
(38,317 posts)I'm now thinking the botfly maggot was a stretch. He'd probably enjoy that
A few million generations as bacteria in the sludge digester tanks of a sewage treatment plant would probably be too good for him.
They_Live
(3,233 posts)in Guantanamo Bay prison, never charged, held indefinitely, and tortured daily.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Cheney the torture expert, how many days and days in those boxes were without any water at all? Can you imagine spending more than a week stuffed in a small box.
EEO
(1,620 posts)louis-t
(23,295 posts)he just wanted revenge. People like him love to torture, they love to kill, they have a need to punish people, rightly or wrongly. I wish him bloody diarrhea for the rest of his miserable life.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)I'm thinking it was all about getting false confessions to links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein so they could initiate the Big Plan to remake the Middle East, starting with Iraq.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)and war criminal. The damage he's done to humanity will be America's black eye for generations. The son of a bitch belongs on a scaffold.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)He is a sociopath, completely lacking a sense of empathy.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)as to call him a psychopath.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)What are: "Things that I wish I hadn't said before sentencing"?
But I wasn't good enough to get assigned to that parallel universe.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Then he could have a nice lunch while they're at it.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Edit: Keep talking, Dick. Hope you get enough rope to hang yourself.
sammy750
(165 posts)charged for war crimes and a traitor. He and Bush lied to the American people, When will they pay for those LIES. Now we have the Republicans back in control of the nation, and we see just what there agenda is for the next 2 years. Destroy the middle class as the Koch brothers have wanted. Wall Street and the banks are now being protected by the tax payers while they make tens of billions. Didn't the economic crash of 2008 wake up anyone? Is everyone so stupid as to elect the GOP who only mission is to destroy us and the nation. They have sold out to Wall Street, big banks, corporations and yes the Koch brothers.
Once the middle class is destroyed where will the revenue and profits be made, The middle class makes up most of that.
So the USA is on it death route with the GOP whipping us to destruction
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)What a POS...and to think...he has money and he still has "power".
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I don't believe the official one.
I'm wondering whether Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice would be willing to have their dogs or cats tortured? I wonder whether they torture them?
That's about the lowest behavior you can have.
3catwoman3
(24,006 posts)...apologizing to Cheney. WTF??!!!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)No sense of humor. No humility. No humanity.
Uggggggh. What a bunch. I am in a bad mood today anyway and when I think about Cheney being elected by the so-called "Christian" right, I just don't know how to react.
He is the most unChristian being to claim to be a member off the human race. It's unbelievable that the Christian right votes for Republicans. It is a denial of everything that is good in their faith. Just unbelievable.
When I think about how the Christian Right supports people like Cheney, I understand why there are so many atheists and why the numbers of the atheists are growing so rapidly.
Where is the charity? Where is the love that knows no bounds? Where is the forgiveness? Where is the kindness? Certainly not with Cheney or any self-styled Christian who votes Republican.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)This evil SOB would torture on a moment's notice, to anyone, for anything. He is the most vile, evil mf'er that I can think of. Cursed, lying piece of human filth.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I've never heard of it or seen it done in a hospital.
I can only assume the "feeding" was to inject hot chili stuff, chemicals, stuff that would solidify...anything that would drive the person wild in pain and agony.
And if they kept injecting, injecting, injecting...how many may have actually died from ruptured intestines?
It takes some special sick, perverted freaks to do this...the ones that created it, ordered it and did it should all be identified and arrested...talk about crimes against humanity!
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)are "miles" of twisted intestines and other organs. How could that possibly be excused to anyone with elementary school biology as "forced feeding or hydration? Yet, like most people, I've been sitting around saying "That's terrible," and thinking of it as a really bad enema. But wait! It makes no sense and has no justification.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Anyone with a basic understanding of biology should know that the main source of absorbing water into the body is the large intestine.
Hydration OCCURS in the the large intestine.
That said, the CIA's use was torture.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I'll lay odds, that if these prisoners were being starved and liquids withheld, that if offered safe/clean water they would have desperately taken it.
I doubt that the torture doctors would have determined that they were dehydrated and then decided to give them fluids, up their butt.
And speaking of all this, most likely they would have been striped naked, strapped down to a table, maybe with stirrups (ladies!) and then "they" would have had to PRY the guy's rectum open, in order to force the tube inside of him. Speaking of that tube...tube or HOSE? And lube? Men...how do you like that 15 second prostrate check during a physical? Think of that.
I'm trying and hoping to paint a better picture...yes, for the shocking horror that it is. Anyone, ANYONE that agrees with these tactics, is sick.
I do believe that they probably looked at the sick activities that the Nazis or Saddam Hussien (had men suspended by their testicles) did to men.
This whole thing remains "sanitized" in the media and Capital.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)"Between the rectum and the stomach are "miles" of twisted intestines and other organs. How could that possibly be excused to anyone with elementary school biology as "forced feeding or hydration?"
The human intestines average about 25 feet in length, far short of the "miles" you cite. Normal hydration occurs in the large intestine, how the water gets there does not particularly matter. I'm not saying it SHOULD be done, just that it CAN be done, contrary to your claims.
The CIA was using it for torture, no doubts. An IV would be the first choice. But claiming that it is not possible to hydrate in the large intestine demonstrates a profound lack of understanding of basic physiology. Hydration via the large intestine is why we don't shrivel and desiccate.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)There are no digestive enzymes down there, nor a direct portal system to the liver (your body's own chemical processing plant). Doctors who need to force-feed someone have other means (IV or tube feedings) to do that.
It's total, evil bullshit believed only by the willfully stupid.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)defend the use of torture. How can they reconcile torture with Jesus' message of forgiveness and love for all humankind? That is what I cannot understand.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And they ALL should freak'n be called out for it.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)to do anything about his war crimes and unfortunately, in this country, no one will. Thanks, Obama! And Holder!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)I'm not kidding. It would not surprise me in the slightest if, when he finally dies, they discover corpses in his backyard.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)She has a special kind of love for Dick.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)One of the tenets is never apologize.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)He can sit in his stuffed chair and order all the torture he wants and no one will hold him accountable at all.
He's immune from any kind of repercussions.
If he was sitting in jail he might have a different opinion.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Stryder
(450 posts)No shit.
santafe52
(57 posts)is the reason Americans are being beheaded by terrorists. HIS actions and his attitude, along with all the fools who support him, have bred and nurtured passionate anti-American sentiment.
Our idiot media needs to quit handing this mad man the Goddamn microphone!
roamer65
(36,745 posts)He feeds off it like a vampire.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)There are "bastards" all around you if you look for them. I can imagine him with a set of torture tools in the basement.
His soul is as dark as they come. If I believed in such things, I'd say he is the devil's spawn.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)The evil "thing" called Dick Cheney gets off on it.
Hockey Dad
(70 posts)Hunan constructs, the both of them! But, if I'm to to honest, I shall have to confess that Mr Cheney, whenever I see and hear him interviewed, gives me pause as to said beliefs regardless the latter! What an UTTERLY horrid creature!
tclambert
(11,087 posts)Javaman
(62,530 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)If we knew where it was, we'd have to form a line. Me for driving a stake through his undead heart.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)He is the epitome of stupidity with power.
He's a complete numbskull.
And he is obviously sick, mentally ill, for thinking that torture has ANY good attributes!!
What a waste of a transplanted heart!
It could have gone to someone with a soul!!