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alp227

(32,026 posts)
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 08:52 PM Dec 2014

Man accidentally shot with officer's stray bullet

Source: AP

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) —A police officer's gun accidentally went off as he crept through a broken window during an Albuquerque burglary investigation, wounding a man in an apartment below, officials said Monday.

Police emphasized the shooting was accidental, but it occurred in an agency under intense scrutiny for a series of shootings over the past several years.

The latest incident happened early Sunday while police were investigating a break-in at a second-floor apartment, Albuquerque Police spokesman Simon Drobik said.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d7750bc98b0d4865bf64db121c0fac69/police-albuquerque-officer-accidentally-shoot-man



See also Albuquerque Journal
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Man accidentally shot with officer's stray bullet (Original Post) alp227 Dec 2014 OP
Negligence, not accident. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #1
They mean he pulled the trigger by accident. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #2
Usually Old Codger Dec 2014 #3
Interesting about the lack of a safety. I understand that is for speed, but maybe that's the problem jtuck004 Dec 2014 #4
Trigger discipline Old Codger Dec 2014 #6
Interesting you say that many big city depts, like NY have just that... Historic NY Dec 2014 #7
I'm thinking muskets would be in order. <G> They want to act like its 1800 anyway. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #9
"Glock" almost rhymes with "suck". riqster Dec 2014 #5
Glocks have no external safeties, just like the revolvers they replaced. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #12
they call it a safety Old Codger Dec 2014 #14
Yes, Glock does call that lever a safety. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #23
A double-action could be said to have a safety (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #17
One could say it, but it would not be accurate. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #22
Just like a police revolver, which the Glock was designed to emulate. benEzra Dec 2014 #19
It's many years after the fact LibertyLover Dec 2014 #21
Yay cops! They_Live Dec 2014 #8
Glock strikes again. ileus Dec 2014 #10
i would have the police go back to revolvers, they are safer. happyslug Dec 2014 #11
My wife carries a revolver... ileus Dec 2014 #18
A five round revolver, that is what Frank Serpico was using when he was shot. happyslug Dec 2014 #24
Great pistol Old Codger Dec 2014 #16
Double action type is safer. Some LEO use a MP9 for that reason. L0oniX Dec 2014 #20
A small price to pay pscot Dec 2014 #13
I do hope you forgot the sarcasm smilie uppityperson Dec 2014 #15
 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
3. Usually
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:03 PM
Dec 2014

These idiots carry Glocks, they do not have a safety or decocking mechanism what Glock refers to as a safety is a small lever that sits in the middle of the trigger and the only thing required to shoot is to pull the trigger no other safety to disengage .. if there is a round chambered it is hot to go with only a trigger pull ..

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. Interesting about the lack of a safety. I understand that is for speed, but maybe that's the problem
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:09 PM
Dec 2014

Maybe we give them all slower guns, they have to think for a moment.

I was just commenting on the "accidentally went off" headline, as if it exploded in the holster.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
6. Trigger discipline
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:19 PM
Dec 2014

Is very very important with all guns but with Glock it is imperative to keep finger off of trigger until ready to shoot or to not carry with a round chambered.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
7. Interesting you say that many big city depts, like NY have just that...
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:21 PM
Dec 2014

very heavy trigger pulls but somehow that does stop this.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
14. they call it a safety
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:29 AM
Dec 2014

there is a small lever integral to the trigger that they refer to as a safety, all it really does is stop the trigger from being activated without a finger on it to depress that lever. They are actually no where near as safe as a revolver since they are not really a double action, once a round is chambered they are live the trigger pull merely releases the firing pin it does not activate a 'hammer" like a revolver does it is like a revolver with the hammer pulled into the cocked position just needing a small extra bit of pressure to release it.
I carried a Glock for many years but refused to carry with a round chambered therefor needed to actually chamber a round before it could be fired, I now carry a Beretta which does have an external safety and de-cocking ability.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
22. One could say it, but it would not be accurate.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:40 PM
Dec 2014

However, the long and heavy pull of the DA trigger does supply some benefit.
That is one of the reasons that some police departments put heavy triggers in their Glocks.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
19. Just like a police revolver, which the Glock was designed to emulate.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:16 AM
Dec 2014
These idiots carry Glocks, they do not have a safety or decocking mechanism what Glock refers to as a safety is a small lever that sits in the middle of the trigger and the only thing required to shoot is to pull the trigger no other safety to disengage .. if there is a round chambered it is hot to go with only a trigger pull ..

Just like a police revolver, which the Glock was designed to emulate. A DA/SA will also go off if you put your finger in the trigger guard and pull the trigger, as will every other double-action or striker-fired design intended to be carried with the safety off. The only pistols that would be commonly carried in the hand with the safety on are those with a 1911 style thumb-rest safety (because the 1911 is carried with the hammer cocked), but carrying with your finger on the trigger is *still* a stupid violation of one of the fundamental rules of gun safety, namely keep your damn finger off the damn trigger until your sights are on target and you are ready to shoot.

If his finger was off the trigger instead of pulling it, the gun would not have fired, even if it were thrown off a 3-story building and landed on concrete.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
21. It's many years after the fact
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:20 AM
Dec 2014

but reading your explanation of the Glock sent shivers down my spine. One of my oldest friends was married to a gun lover. He was a cop in a city in Westchester County, New York. He carried a gun with him at all times. His off duty gun was a Glock. When I think that I was around him quite a lot when they were married and raising children and he was carrying a gun that could go off so easily, I am slightly nauseated. Thank the Gods that nothing ever happened.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
11. i would have the police go back to revolvers, they are safer.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:53 PM
Dec 2014

Yes, you have a heavy trigger pull as the trigger rotates the cylinder, but do police really need to be able to shoot 14 rounds before reloading? If they do, why are the police staying with Pistols in the first place, go to M16s and get it over with.

In the FBI shootout they like to talk about as showing how ineffective revolvers were, they forget to talk about the fact they went after two men, one armed with an Assault Weapon (A mini-14) and the other with a shotgun. Both had military training and the element of surprise had been lost. The FBI agents ended up in a true gun fight and found themselves outgunned for they took pistols to a rifle fight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Revolvers are safer (you can easy see if they are unloaded, Automatic Pistols require a two step motion to check if they are unloaded AND if you do the two steps backward, the pistol is still loaded).

In the days before everyone adopted Automatics, when the "Average Gunfight" occurred, the officers involved only fire two rounds.

In case of bad ammunition causing a misfire, the officer with a revolver only had to pull the trigger once more time, the officer with the automatic MUST work the action and then pull the trigger.

Yes, Automatics fire more rounds per minutes and quicker to reload, but do police actually need those elements? If they do, they outgunned to begin with and should withdraw and get their shotguns or rifles.

Sorry, with the recent shootings, I am getting to the point no police officer should carry anything more then a billy club the first five years on the job. If he or she is unwilling to do so, hire someone who will.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
18. My wife carries a revolver...
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:00 AM
Dec 2014

She's comfortable with 5 rounds of 38, and that beats nothing I suppose.

I go with a single stack 9mm for my PSD with a 8+1.


 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
24. A five round revolver, that is what Frank Serpico was using when he was shot.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:17 PM
Dec 2014

No fault of the revolver, some people believe he was set up to be killed. He was working with three other officers, his job was to force the door open and arrest the suspect. In his own words this is what happened next:

One officer was standing to my left on the landing no more than eight feet away, with his gun drawn; the other officer was to my right rear on the stairwell, also with his gun drawn. When the door opened, I pushed my way in and snapped the chain. The suspect slammed the door closed on me, wedging in my head and right shoulder and arm. I couldn’t move, but I aimed my snub-nose Smith & Wesson revolver at the perp (the movie version unfortunately goes a little Hollywood here, and has Pacino struggling and failing to raise a much-larger 9-millimeter automatic). From behind me no help came. At that moment my anger got the better of me. I made the almost fatal mistake of taking my eye off the perp and screaming to the officer on my left: “What the hell you waiting for? Give me a hand!” I turned back to face a gun blast in my face. I had cocked my weapon and fired back at him almost in the same instant, probably as reflex action, striking him. (He was later captured.)


Read more, it will discuss you for the next paragraph was:

When I regained consciousness, I was on my back in a pool of blood trying to assess the damage from the gunshot wound in my cheek. Was this a case of small entry, big exit, as often happens with bullets? Was the back of my head missing? I heard a voice saying, “Don’ worry, you be all right, you be all right,” and when I opened my eyes I saw an old Hispanic man looking down at me like Carlos Castaneda’s Don Juan. My “backup” was nowhere in sight. They hadn’t even called for assistance—I never heard the famed “Code 1013,” meaning “Officer Down.” They didn’t call an ambulance either, I later learned; the old man did. One patrol car responded to investigate, and realizing I was a narcotics officer rushed me to a nearby hospital (one of the officers who drove me that night said, “If I knew it was him, I would have left him there to bleed to death,” I learned later).


Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html#ixzz3M7MvIeln

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html#ixzz3M7MS3YKm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Serpico

His latest writing on police corruption written in October 2014:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html#.VIW-_WTF_8M
 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
16. Great pistol
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:36 AM
Dec 2014

Have not had the pleasure but have heard a lot of good about it. Just went to Beretta Storm and so far am fairly impressed with it.

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