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inanna

(3,547 posts)
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:35 PM Dec 2014

Obama to set up panel to boost trust between police and communities

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama on Thursday will set up a task force to draw up recommendations to strengthen trust between law enforcement and local communities, following protests over several instances of police killings of unarmed people this year.

"There is a sense of urgency," White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett told reporters before Obama was to sign an executive order setting up the Task Force on 21st Century Policing.

She said the order directs the 11-member panel to submit recommendations to the president by March 2.

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"The Task Force will examine ... how to strengthen public trust and foster strong relationships between local law enforcement and the communities that they protect, while also promoting effective crime reduction," the White House said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/18/us-usa-police-obama-idUSKBN0JW2OW20141218

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Obama to set up panel to boost trust between police and communities (Original Post) inanna Dec 2014 OP
At this point I am wondering if the police even see that there is a problem let alone work on it. jwirr Dec 2014 #1
I cant believe I am going to say this but until police can prove they can act like honest NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #3
That's like saying you're a strong supporter of free speech, branford Dec 2014 #5
The only way to boost trust is to break the blue line and prosecute cops who abuse citizens peacebird Dec 2014 #2
It's going to take a hell of a lot more than some stinking panel. L0oniX Dec 2014 #4
Yeah, this idea is weak, unless it sets up some support funding of local civilian oversight powers. ancianita Dec 2014 #20
It's a freaking start.. don't care how many cynical negative opinions there are. mahalo inanna Cha Dec 2014 #6
K&R! Cha Dec 2014 #7
.... inanna Dec 2014 #9
Hey inanna! Cha Dec 2014 #10
We don't need another beer summit, we need prosecutions and justice for killers. -eom whereisjustice Dec 2014 #8
From your link, inanna.. Serious steps are being taken in spite of cheap pot shots as "beer summit". Cha Dec 2014 #11
While I was disappointed that there were no prosecutions in these cases inanna Dec 2014 #12
Exactly, it's a good start. Cha Dec 2014 #13
We need to have independent citizen review boards WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2014 #14
Good. I've been calling for something like this for a long time. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #15
Higher I Q requirement is a good start. Deadbeat Republicans Dec 2014 #16
Awesome. More meetings between well-paid, clueless panelists. Psephos Dec 2014 #17
And how are you going to address this issue? Other than taking a dump on this initiative. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #18
Why don't you ship me some of that $$ the panelists make? Psephos Dec 2014 #19
If Obama wants to build trust between cops and communities..... DeSwiss Dec 2014 #21

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
1. At this point I am wondering if the police even see that there is a problem let alone work on it.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:40 PM
Dec 2014

The Police Union is hell bent on ignoring any thing they do not like and the killings continue all over the country.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
3. I cant believe I am going to say this but until police can prove they can act like honest
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:43 PM
Dec 2014

players, they should have no union

and I am the biggest union supporter I know

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
5. That's like saying you're a strong supporter of free speech,
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:03 PM
Dec 2014

except that which you find really offensive.

The right and ability of workers to collectively bargain to offset the undue influence of management has absolutely nothing to do with the political speech and activities of any particular union. Although unions generally tend to be quite progressive in outlook, it certainly is not a requirement or universal.

Separating and distinguishing unions based on whether some purportedly act like "honest players" is a recipe for disaster for the labor movement, particularly in the public sector. Do you feel the same way when teachers unions regularly represent and protect proven incompetent teachers, no less those actually convicted of serious felonies, or when various and sundry other government workers commit fraud and other malfeasance, yet are still fully backed by their unions? Given the very unfortunate sordid criminal history of many unions, including those I actively support and even some I represented early in my career as an attorney, I can confidently state an "honest player" standard would be cheered by Republicans as they used it to not-so-slowly crush one union after the next.

Unions have a duty to represent the interests of their members, and they have a moral and legal obligation to defend and advocate for all members without fear or favor, whether the member is a liberal teacher or a conservative police officer. The police unions are simply are very rare example of right-leaning unions that unequivocally deserve all the same protections enjoyed by other unions for the benefit of labor overall.

There are many avenues to improve the relationship between the police and certain communities, but attacking the ability to unionize to just plain foolish.





peacebird

(14,195 posts)
2. The only way to boost trust is to break the blue line and prosecute cops who abuse citizens
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:40 PM
Dec 2014

There is no trust left because too many cops view their job not as a sacred trust to protect people, but as a power trip that gives them the right to smack down anyone who doesn't behave in a subserviant enough manner. That and good cops are willing to turn a blind eye to the abuses of their fellow officers.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
4. It's going to take a hell of a lot more than some stinking panel.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:00 PM
Dec 2014

Decades of honest proper police behavior wouldn't gain a 100% trust.

ancianita

(36,095 posts)
20. Yeah, this idea is weak, unless it sets up some support funding of local civilian oversight powers.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:25 AM
Dec 2014

Cha

(297,323 posts)
11. From your link, inanna.. Serious steps are being taken in spite of cheap pot shots as "beer summit".
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:21 PM
Dec 2014

"Jarrett said one of the issues to be considered by the panel is formulating best practices for the use of body cameras by police forces.

Obama has asked the U.S. Congress for $263 million to pay for body cameras for police officers and expand training for law enforcement.

Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey and Laurie Robinson, a George Mason University professor who is a former U.S. assistant attorney general, will lead the task force."

inanna

(3,547 posts)
12. While I was disappointed that there were no prosecutions in these cases
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:27 PM
Dec 2014

I still think this is a step in the right direction.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
14. We need to have independent citizen review boards
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:09 PM
Dec 2014

they would shine a light on over aggressive departments and problem cops, one case at a time.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
15. Good. I've been calling for something like this for a long time.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:20 PM
Dec 2014

But we need to get deeper than developing community trust; we need to be looking at the culture, scope, and practices of the repressive apparatus in this country.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
17. Awesome. More meetings between well-paid, clueless panelists.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:34 PM
Dec 2014

Hopefully leading to a blue-ribbon commission, a list of position statements, and serious political grandstanding.

All brought to you by people who smile into their wine glasses at how easy it is to fool rubes.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
19. Why don't you ship me some of that $$ the panelists make?
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:14 AM
Dec 2014

And I'll ship you right back some grandiloquent BS that's every bit as good as what they produce.

What? I have to do it for free? Sorry Comrade, I don't roll that way. But if you do, I'd be interested in how you would go about it.

I learned a long time ago that fancy panels and commissions and teams of experts have uses other than producing tangible results.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
21. If Obama wants to build trust between cops and communities.....
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 04:00 AM
Dec 2014

...he needs to empanel a jury for murder convictions, not a neighborhood committee for outreach.

- I'll never trust their asses because I've seen what they do. First-hand.

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