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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 07:47 AM Dec 2014

North Korea promises 'grave consequences' if US refuses joint investigation into Sony hacking

Source: Irish Independent

North Korea has proposed a joint investigation with the United States on the cyber attack against Sony Pictures and said the FBI’s suggestion that it was behind the attack was ‘slander’.

North Korea state media released a statement this morning and said there would be ‘grave consequences’ if the US refused to agree to the joint inquiry and continued to accuse them.

According to reports, the KCNA news agency released the statement with an unnamed state spokesperson quoted.

Meanwhile, Barack Obama has said US will respond "in a place and manner and time that we choose" to the hacking attack on Sony that led to the withdrawal of a satirical film about a plot to assassinate North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un.

Read more: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/north-korea-promises-grave-consequences-if-us-refuses-joint-investigation-into-sony-hacking-30852015.html

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North Korea promises 'grave consequences' if US refuses joint investigation into Sony hacking (Original Post) Bosonic Dec 2014 OP
Lost in the typical, silly North Korean bluster is a great idea elias49 Dec 2014 #1
Sony Pictures Entertainment is an American company oberliner Dec 2014 #3
SPE is a subsidiary of the Japanese multinational corporation Sony Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #8
A subsidiary is a company (though it is controlled by a larger company) oberliner Dec 2014 #14
Sony Corporation is the Japanese-based entity that is the parent to and OWNS BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #9
Sony Pictures Entertainment is an American company oberliner Dec 2014 #12
It is a subsidiary of a Japanese-OWNED company BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #16
But it is "cyberterrorism", you are supposed to be afraid, the mass media demands it. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #21
North Korea won't be a pushover like Iraq* was. And North Korea has nukes and KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #22
They need to go hang JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #2
What are they gonna do? Bleed on us? longship Dec 2014 #4
So they threatened us if we don't cooperate to see if they threatened us????? WhoWoodaKnew Dec 2014 #5
Threat and counterthreat...meh. Corporate internet insecurity needs fixing. HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #6
The nation calls for war? Hyperbole much? Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #11
I sorta thought hyperbole was a tool to reveal the ridiculous HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #13
"Grave consequences" ? Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #7
What would constitute proof for you? oberliner Dec 2014 #15
I tend to want ANY kind of encouraging relationships among people duhneece Dec 2014 #10
At least "grave consequences" is calm guarded language by NK standards Posteritatis Dec 2014 #17
Just give them Dennis Rodman The Wizard Dec 2014 #18
Oh come on that's cheap davidpdx Dec 2014 #28
What about Goering? The Wizard Dec 2014 #30
how does NK connect to the USA, through China, SK or Russia? Sunlei Dec 2014 #19
My guess would be China davidpdx Dec 2014 #29
Grave consequences? Turbineguy Dec 2014 #20
+100 nt okaawhatever Dec 2014 #25
The retaliation will be severe! NuclearDem Dec 2014 #23
LOL. I can't wait to see what we have in store for them. nt Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #24
Guardians of Peace fingrin Dec 2014 #26
Well I am terrified. Just terrified. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #27
 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
1. Lost in the typical, silly North Korean bluster is a great idea
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:06 AM
Dec 2014

that will, predictably, be poo-pooed by the US. The US reserves the right to strike back "...in a place and manner and time..." against an unproven offender because that 'offender' hacked into the database of a Japanese corporation. Somehow, the nincompoops in DC take this as a personal insult.
Wow! We are, indeed, the world's policeman.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. Sony Pictures Entertainment is an American company
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:43 AM
Dec 2014

HQ is in Culver City, California. CEO and Co-Chairs are Americans.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
8. SPE is a subsidiary of the Japanese multinational corporation Sony
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:24 AM
Dec 2014

Toyota Motor North America is also an 'American Company' but it's still Toyota and Toyota is still a Japanese Company. You are just splitting hairs. It's Sony.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. A subsidiary is a company (though it is controlled by a larger company)
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:33 AM
Dec 2014

An attack on Toyota Motor North America would similarly be an attack on an American company.

Especially if all communication from the American leaders of that company were hacked as was the case here.

BumRushDaShow

(129,445 posts)
9. Sony Corporation is the Japanese-based entity that is the parent to and OWNS
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:26 AM
Dec 2014

Sony Pictures, Sony Electronics, Sony Music, and the rest of "Sony Group" companies. Sony is not an "American company" and neither is "Sony Pictures Entertainment".

That's just like saying because Toyota has a manufacturing plant and "U.S. headquarters" in Texas headed up by Americans, that it's suddenly not a Japanese company.

Alternately, Ford has a plant in Hiroshima headed up by Japanese, so you know, Ford is a "Japanese company" right?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. Sony Pictures Entertainment is an American company
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:31 AM
Dec 2014

It is a subsidiary - i.e. a company controlled by a holding company.

There is no Japanese subsidiary company of Ford Motors.

BumRushDaShow

(129,445 posts)
16. It is a subsidiary of a Japanese-OWNED company
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:53 AM
Dec 2014
http://www.sonypictures.com/corp/aboutsonypictures.html

About Sony Pictures

Sony Pictures Entertainment (SPE) is a subsidiary of Sony Entertainment Inc., a subsidiary of [font size="5"]Tokyo-based Sony Corporation[/font] SPE's global operations encompass motion picture production, acquisition and distribution; television production, acquisition and distribution; television networks; digital content creation and distribution; operation of studio facilities; and development of new entertainment products, services and technologies.

For additional information, go to http://www.sonypictures.com.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. But it is "cyberterrorism", you are supposed to be afraid, the mass media demands it.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:55 AM
Dec 2014

I got a solution for corporstions in America, fix your fucking Internet securitu.....how many hacks into corporstions in America this year.....hundreds?

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
22. North Korea won't be a pushover like Iraq* was. And North Korea has nukes and
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:08 PM
Dec 2014

a pretty sizable conventional arsenal lined up on Seoul. (*Iraq during the initial ground invasion. Iraq proved itself no pushover durign the Occupation that followed.)

Were I the U.S. government, I'd cool it with the sabre-rattling.

My Dad fought with the Marines at Inchon and he says the North Korean soldiers are tough fighters. Coming from an ex-Jarhead, that's mighty high praise.

JustAnotherGen

(31,879 posts)
2. They need to go hang
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:15 AM
Dec 2014

We shouldn't negotiate with a guy who only has his job due to nepotism and picking the right womb.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. Threat and counterthreat...meh. Corporate internet insecurity needs fixing.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:08 AM
Dec 2014

Tens of millions have had their bank accounts put at risk by international hacks and there is little national concern.

One movie maker (confession: I'm outside the target demographic for that comedy) gets it's records put at risk and the nation calls for war.

Whut?


 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
7. "Grave consequences" ?
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:12 AM
Dec 2014

In all fairness , other than the FBI, do we REALLY have any proof ?

And who the hell believes the FBI?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. What would constitute proof for you?
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:34 AM
Dec 2014

Can you give me a sense of what you would need to see or hear to prove that they were behind it?

duhneece

(4,117 posts)
10. I tend to want ANY kind of encouraging relationships among people
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:26 AM
Dec 2014

...except that this is N Korea, so it throws my general approval for relationship building between people and among peoples into confusion.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
17. At least "grave consequences" is calm guarded language by NK standards
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:58 AM
Dec 2014

Usually their bluster lathers itself up to the general realm of "we will reduce you to your constituent molecules and then stab them each in the face!" so hey, this is pleasantly restrained for once.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
28. Oh come on that's cheap
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:42 PM
Dec 2014

I'm sure we can find a few more to give them. How about Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell, John Bohner, Marco Rubio, Justin Bieber, Joni Ernst, and the entire family of Mitt Romney.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
19. how does NK connect to the USA, through China, SK or Russia?
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:22 AM
Dec 2014

Or does the hack start in the USA local and is more of a leak, not secure computers or another of the thousands of NSA employees who has access to anything they want?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
29. My guess would be China
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:45 PM
Dec 2014

South Korea (where I am) would not support any infrastructure). Russia had backed away from North Korea for quite awhile and is just now strengthening their relationship with them so that is doubtful.

Turbineguy

(37,365 posts)
20. Grave consequences?
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:38 AM
Dec 2014

As in "we'll shoot or starve a bunch of our own people, bury them and blame it on you!" consequences?

fingrin

(120 posts)
26. Guardians of Peace
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:38 PM
Dec 2014

Really? A hacking group that sounds like a hollywood movie issued a vague threat and all of a sudden the FBI has evidence?
Im calling B/S on this one.
That bloody GOP (Guardians of peace) is at it again.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
27. Well I am terrified. Just terrified.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 04:41 PM
Dec 2014

If they can hack a movie studio and release a Brad Pitt movie early, there is no limit to their power!

Ugh, we need to humiliate this fucker in spectacular (but cool, nonviolent) fashion.

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