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Judi Lynn

(160,550 posts)
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:49 PM Dec 2014

Grand jury clears officer in deadly police shooting

Source: Associated Press

Grand jury clears officer in deadly police shooting
By Cindy George | December 23, 2014 | Updated: December 23, 2014 3:45pm

A Harris County grand jury today has cleared a Houston police officer in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man in January.

The panel, which has been meeting for months, cleared officer Juventino Castro in the death of 26-year-old Jordan Baker.

The inquiry marked one of Harris County's first grand jury deliberations in a police shooting following recent unrest over the lack of indictments in the officer-involved deaths of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., and Eric Garner in New York.

Baker's death has gained national attention as another unarmed black man killed by police, a trend that has sparked protests and calls for body cameras on officers.

Janet Baker, who spent most of Tuesday and Thursday last week awaiting a decision at the Harris County Criminal Justice Center, had maintained that Castro profiled her son - who was wearing a black hoodie - as a criminal. Along with activists, she has been accompanied by mothers whose sons have been injured or killed in local shootings.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Grand-jury-decision-looms-in-deadly-police-5975544.php

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Grand jury clears officer in deadly police shooting (Original Post) Judi Lynn Dec 2014 OP
K & R inanna Dec 2014 #1
SMH notadmblnd Dec 2014 #2
and the amerikkkan beat goes on heaven05 Dec 2014 #3
Hey amigo, Hulk Dec 2014 #11
Jesus christ, AGAIN! NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #4
The report states there were 121 civilians killed by cops between 2008 and 2012 in Houston mountain grammy Dec 2014 #5
Too ANGRY to comment !!!!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Dec 2014 #6
"Grand Wizard" Juries. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #7
what do they call accusations of racism where not a shred of evidence exists? pipoman Dec 2014 #16
The motive is irrelevant. The outcome is all that matters. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #18
I hope this year puts you on a grand jury.... pipoman Dec 2014 #23
I swear I'd do what's right if I am. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #25
Everybody does what is right. . pipoman Dec 2014 #28
HOGWASH! BillZBubb Dec 2014 #32
What do you? Another case of a black man grabbing at his waistband Chakab Dec 2014 #8
Apparently, grand juries want cops to kill as many black men as possible. Adrahil Dec 2014 #9
Oh the famous "reached into his waistband" bullshit again. How stupid are these jurys? nt Logical Dec 2014 #10
Another unarmed young man "reached into his waistband and charged the officer" KeepItReal Dec 2014 #12
It is not uncommon for DA's to punt cases.... cynzke Dec 2014 #34
That's at least the second cop cleared in shooting unarmed person this week. HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #13
What a surprise.... blackspade Dec 2014 #14
It is tough living in Texas at times Gothmog Dec 2014 #15
Photo of #JordanBaker riversedge Dec 2014 #17
Officer Castro Walks riversedge Dec 2014 #20
American Justice? I can't breathe. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #19
121 shootings in four years and all of them cleared but the jury isn't biased? riversedge Dec 2014 #21
They Saved That for the Last Paragraph of the Article AndyTiedye Dec 2014 #27
and anyone wonders why we're pissed at cops? marym625 Dec 2014 #22
cops suck blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #24
Of course, they have. MrScorpio Dec 2014 #26
Technically, a grand jury can't "clear" anybody of anything. DLnyc Dec 2014 #29
Are police departments around the country having a ReKKKruitment Drive? 1step Dec 2014 #30
Following the "Zimmerman Template" Midnight Writer Dec 2014 #31
In the old days, the cops had to go through the formality of BillZBubb Dec 2014 #33
 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
11. Hey amigo,
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:13 PM
Dec 2014

some of the Hispanics I've met along the border states are some of the most insulting, power swollen heads I've ever met. I am speaking from my personal experience crossing the border to Mexico, numerous times. It's as though they have this "I have mine, fuck you" attitude toward my wife when we crossed. My wife was Mexican, and we could almost always count on getting harassed by the Hispanic police.

One time they took her inside and had me wait outside for two hours while they grilled her about how we met, what she is getting from being with this gringo, etc, etc. then they came out and grilled me for an hour to see if our stories matched. I was so pissed...but compliant.

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
5. The report states there were 121 civilians killed by cops between 2008 and 2012 in Houston
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:05 PM
Dec 2014

and more than a quarter, that would be more than 30, were unarmed. The article doesn't say how many were African American, but my guess is most.
And the cop goes home every time.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
28. Everybody does what is right. .
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:19 PM
Dec 2014

They follow directions and make a decision. ...they are not racists because there isn't enough to indict and those who say otherwise are idiots or racists themselves.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
8. What do you? Another case of a black man grabbing at his waistband
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:08 PM
Dec 2014

for a non-existent gun during a confrontation with a police officer.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
9. Apparently, grand juries want cops to kill as many black men as possible.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:11 PM
Dec 2014

It's 21st century lynching. It's disgusting.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
12. Another unarmed young man "reached into his waistband and charged the officer"
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:13 PM
Dec 2014

And the DA/Prosecutor punts an indictment decision over to a Grand Jury instead of bringing a case himself.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
34. It is not uncommon for DA's to punt cases....
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:41 PM
Dec 2014

they don't think they can win. It spoils their record for one. They may have future political ambitions. And if there is not enough evidence to get a conviction, then the DA is wasting taxpayers money. The fact is, the law favors the cop. The suspect does not have to be ARMED/have a weapon in order for the police officer to use lethal force, IF the officer REASONABLY BELIEVED his life was in danger. He is not legally obligated to WAIT/SEE a weapon. Most times a police officer only has a matter of seconds to decide whether to use his weapon in response to the actions of the suspect. He sees the suspect reaching for something, what? The officer is not obligated to risk his life and hesitate using his weapon to verify there is a weapon. This is why cops are not indicted. This is what we need to understand about the law. No matter how we personally think this is wrong, the law gives the benefit of doubt to the cop and unless there is enough evidence to prove otherwise, DA and Grand Juries are not likely to indict a cop. This is why we see sometimes see disciplinary actions (or termination) by the police department against the offending officer, but see no criminal charges. We need to understand how the law works and why it gives good cops and bad cops the same legal avenue to avoid prosecution. We also need better accountability from the justice system. Check out the third link, what one citizen accomplished after a ten year fight.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5994305/michael-brown-case-investigation-legal-police-kill-force-murder

http://www.thenation.com/article/190937/why-its-impossible-indict-cop#

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-police-killed-my-son-110038.html#.VJsIQF4AA

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. That's at least the second cop cleared in shooting unarmed person this week.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:16 PM
Dec 2014

Cop in Milw cleared earlier this week.

Cop claimed he shot so many times because the mentally ill man manifested 'superhuman strength' and his service revolver was as effective as a bb gun.

That sounded quite similar to statements made by Wilson.

riversedge

(70,246 posts)
17. Photo of #JordanBaker
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 08:18 PM
Dec 2014

http://abcnews.go.com/US/houston-grand-jury-chooses-indict-police-officer-shooting/story?id=27795123

Houston Grand Jury Chooses Not to Indict Police Officer in Shooting
Dec 23, 2014, 2:47 PM ET

A grand jury in Houston has decided not to indict a police officer who shot and killed an unarmed 26-year-old black man in January.

Officer Juventino Castro was working at an extra job at a shopping center when he shot and killed Jordan Baker, according to ABC station KTRK. .......

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riversedge

(70,246 posts)
20. Officer Castro Walks
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 08:21 PM
Dec 2014

Big Boi ?@BigBoi 2h2 hours ago

Officer Castro Walks http://huff.to/1AXUChH Unarmed #JordanBaker Dead for Wearing Hoodie While Black In Houston #edshow

?6

riversedge

(70,246 posts)
21. 121 shootings in four years and all of them cleared but the jury isn't biased?
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 08:25 PM
Dec 2014

WHOW.

rolandsmartin ?@rolandsmartin 4h4 hours ago

Hmmm. @babygossamer 121 shootings in four years and all of them cleared but the jury isn't biased? #JordanBaker... http://fb.me/1UR0rFRSv




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marym625

(17,997 posts)
22. and anyone wonders why we're pissed at cops?
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 08:26 PM
Dec 2014

Another "he reached into his waistband" However, no gun.

WTF are all these young, black men reaching for right before cops gun them down in cold blood? Amazing that each victim does exactly the same thing.

Fuck the entire system!

DLnyc

(2,479 posts)
29. Technically, a grand jury can't "clear" anybody of anything.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:26 PM
Dec 2014

A district attorney asks (or does not ask) a grand jury to bring an indictment. If the grand jury brings an indictment, the case goes to trial.

The grand jury process only hears the DA's side, so it cannot clear or convict; it simply decides whether or not the DA has convinced the grand jury that there is enough evidence to warrant a trial at this time.

As I understand it, another grand jury could be convened at another time to try again to bring charges, so no one can be said to be "cleared" just because a particular DA failed (or didn't want) to convince a particular grand jury to bring charges at a particular time.

I don't know much about the case, but I suspect a better, less obviously biased, headline might have been "DA Refuses to Get Indictment in Police Killing".

Midnight Writer

(21,770 posts)
31. Following the "Zimmerman Template"
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:29 AM
Dec 2014

1) He attacked me and I was in fear for my life (alternative; he "rushed" at me)

2) He was a super-human rampaging hulk

3) He tried to take my weapon (alternative; he reached for his waistband)

4) He was a scary looking guy wearing thug clothes

5) It happened in a high crime area, and I was defending the innocent folks

6) If only he had been more cooperative, this would never have happened

7) Look into his past. Surely he has smoked dope or shoplifted or jaywalked or something

8) He was looking suspicious and "out of place"

Zimmerman is today posting online lessons about how to respond after shooting an unarmed person in "self-defense".

9) Oops. Forgot one. "Look at the size of this guy. Come on."

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
33. In the old days, the cops had to go through the formality of
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:33 PM
Dec 2014

using a throw down weapon when the assassinated someone. Now, the system is set up so that merely saying he reached for his waistband is good enough to justify the murder.

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