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catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:18 PM Dec 2014

Arrests plummet 66% with NYPD in virtual work stoppage

Source: NY POST

NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent following the execution of two cops — as officers feel betrayed by the mayor and fear for their safety, The Post has learned.

The dramatic drop comes as Police Commissioner Bill Bratton and Mayor Bill de Blasio plan to hold an emergency summit on Tuesday with the heads of the five police unions to try to close the widening rift between cops and the administration.

Police sources said Monday that safety concerns were the main reason for the dropoff in police activity, but added that some cops were mounting an undeclared slowdown in protest of de?Blasio’s response to the non-indictment in the police chokehold death of Eric Garner.

The Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association has warned its members to put their safety first and not make arrests “unless absolutely necessary.”

Read more: http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/

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Arrests plummet 66% with NYPD in virtual work stoppage (Original Post) catnhatnh Dec 2014 OP
And now the threat to all New Yorkers, right on schedule randys1 Dec 2014 #1
So they endanger one man and kill him and now endanger Lint Head Dec 2014 #2
cool no more crazy cops drunk on power choking people belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #3
I was thinking the same thing. The city is probably a lot safer, at least for minorities. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #70
Like the town in Mexico (Acapulco, Mexico) whose cops went on strike: tblue37 Dec 2014 #90
Exactly! AwakeAtLast Dec 2014 #86
Fire those cops! blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #89
I'm thinking that this is working well... catnhatnh Dec 2014 #4
Got no problem with it as long as a pay stoppage goes with it. notadmblnd Dec 2014 #5
Actually, things might be better without them.... radhika Dec 2014 #6
No, there is no money saved. former9thward Dec 2014 #42
Until someone decides that it seems we can police the city Kber Dec 2014 #71
Impossible politically in NYC. former9thward Dec 2014 #77
I was pleasantly surprised to find no parking ticket yesterday - closeupready Dec 2014 #76
No more deadly chokeholds on minority males who commit petty offenses then?!? Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #7
Another new Reform= No 'grounding' people Sunlei Dec 2014 #69
So the cops are basically on strike. ananda Dec 2014 #8
The white right wing owns and rules the country . De Blasio being a progressive is a direct geretogo Dec 2014 #9
well, this is the NY Post. And, the police union is delusional. kwassa Dec 2014 #10
Good! Time for LAYOFF's easychoice Dec 2014 #11
Awesome! Keep up the better work. Daemonaquila Dec 2014 #12
+100! nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #19
this seeeeems actually ... bettydavis Dec 2014 #13
Has crime gone up accordingly? BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #14
The average NYC employee represents a significant expense to taxpayers. former9thward Dec 2014 #45
How about just the ones that are refusing to do their jobs. Bandit Dec 2014 #57
Union schmunion BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #58
This Is The NY Post DallasNE Dec 2014 #15
I wonder how much the stats for the crime rate are linked to the arrest rate.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #16
Time to right-size the NYPD alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #17
"NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent" 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #18
So they are getting less overtime pay because of the lack of arrests then? n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #20
Hmmmm.... Ed Suspicious Dec 2014 #21
Ha! I had the same thought at the same time. Jacoby365 Dec 2014 #24
"not make arrests unless it's absolutely necessary" Jacoby365 Dec 2014 #22
+1 Ed Suspicious Dec 2014 #27
It sure reads like a confession to me. They ADMIT their needless harassment of citizens. arcane1 Dec 2014 #31
I know, Right? Shouldn't that be the only time they make arrests? Iggo Dec 2014 #33
That seems about right. Trillo Dec 2014 #79
Good news Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #23
It smells to me like "a police state" muscle flex Hulk Dec 2014 #25
Sounds like the "prisoners running the prison"..... nt Ernesto Dec 2014 #61
Traffic tickets and minor offenses. Finally. Like loose cigs and jay walking? There never was a need jwirr Dec 2014 #26
Was it "absolutely necessary" to put Garner in a choke-hold, assholes? arcane1 Dec 2014 #28
100% right on! Kber Dec 2014 #74
Ummm. Why were they making unnecessary arrests? bravenak Dec 2014 #29
It's a gravy train for money. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #32
Got to keep those jails full. Private prisons don't fund themselves!! bravenak Dec 2014 #34
Exacxtly! NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #36
I'm paying some court costs myself. bravenak Dec 2014 #37
The sad fact is though... NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #39
I would have. bravenak Dec 2014 #40
I'm not familiar with sr22 as a term. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #44
Insurance for bad drivers, lol! bravenak Dec 2014 #48
It still comes off as unfair. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #52
I didn't bother to try. bravenak Dec 2014 #54
Depends on what "necessary arrests" means. Igel Dec 2014 #43
I have no idea what cop lingo really means ever. bravenak Dec 2014 #51
If the pig has been disrespected, arrest is necessary. Ino Dec 2014 #66
In other news - NYC life shows dramatic improvement overnight. nt NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #30
Honestly, I feel a lot safer walking around NYC with fewer cops driving around. DLnyc Dec 2014 #46
Hmm, maybe New York City doesn't need 35,000 cops. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #35
So NYPD is punishing the city by harassing young black males a little less? More punishment please! DesertDiamond Dec 2014 #38
shortly we will hear of onethatcares Dec 2014 #41
And nothing of value was lost. [nt] Jester Messiah Dec 2014 #47
Republican playbook adapted by NYPD Triana Dec 2014 #49
So the NYPD want the right to choke someone to death LynneSin Dec 2014 #50
real upstand people eh. barbtries Dec 2014 #53
Yep, definitely the good guys. Iggo Dec 2014 #55
Fantastic news. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #56
Not seeing a downside to this. Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #59
Probably this was a late follow-up to the asjr Dec 2014 #60
I wonder if al-Qaida's watching..... 1step Dec 2014 #62
In other news.... blackspade Dec 2014 #63
One new reform should be=No more Quotas required of any police officer or department. Sunlei Dec 2014 #64
Time to Occupy Wall Street again MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #65
Killing or injuring of innocent people by cops is down too, apparently! Helen Borg Dec 2014 #67
What do the citizens of NY think or want WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2014 #68
NYPD to NYC: "Go Frisk Yourselves!" GreatGazoo Dec 2014 #72
They can all get fucked as far as I'm concerned. Professional, my ASS! Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #73
Oh for cripe's sake! CANDO Dec 2014 #75
So they're abandonining the Broken Windows approach bluestateguy Dec 2014 #78
I had no idea that writing traffic tickets was such a dangerous job mainer Dec 2014 #80
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2014 #81
They're behaving as if…. zentrum Dec 2014 #82
This is insubordination. It's grounds for dismissal. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #83
If you can get them to admit what they're doing Calista241 Dec 2014 #84
Don't make arrests “unless absolutely necessary”? thesquanderer Dec 2014 #85
So what's the problem 1Greensix Dec 2014 #87
The cops took their ball and went home. Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!! blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #88

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
90. Like the town in Mexico (Acapulco, Mexico) whose cops went on strike:
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:45 AM
Dec 2014
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/acapulco-police-strike-backfired/


Entire Town’s Police Force Went on Strike, It Backfired. No One Wants Them Back

<SNIP>

This week it was reported that police in Acapulco, Mexico went on strike and the people of the city, for the most part, do not seem to want them back. It turns out that without the transit police there is less traffic, and without the municipal police there has been no noticeable increase in crime.

<SNIP>

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/acapulco-police-strike-backfired/#KyWCtT0bxDOyfv7f.99

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
4. I'm thinking that this is working well...
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:25 PM
Dec 2014

...for the 94% of black people not arrested on bullshit charges...

radhika

(1,008 posts)
6. Actually, things might be better without them....
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:27 PM
Dec 2014

If the only things cops prioritized were true matters of public safety and crime, there would be more support for police. That would really be the essence of 'protect and serve'.

Traffic tickets and minor (fined) offenses are just as much revenue pumps for the city as true safety measures. For every dollar lost during this slowdown, NYC can save for court time, personnel costs and lock-ups.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
42. No, there is no money saved.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:04 PM
Dec 2014

Court personnel get paid whether there is one case or a hundred. Jailers, etc., all get paid no matter what. It is not the rank and file cops "prioritizing" anything. They go where their supervisors tell them. The city's Revenue Dept. tell the supervisors what to emphasize.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
71. Until someone decides that it seems we can police the city
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:03 PM
Dec 2014

With a significantly smaller force.

That might save some money.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
77. Impossible politically in NYC.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:15 PM
Dec 2014

People who think that the population of NYC would allow that are very delusional.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
76. I was pleasantly surprised to find no parking ticket yesterday -
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:10 PM
Dec 2014

we have alternate side parking, and I forgot to switch. Could definitely get used to THAT.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
69. Another new Reform= No 'grounding' people
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:57 PM
Dec 2014

No Quotas
No Grounding
No 'walling'
No hitting/punching/kicking

ananda

(28,866 posts)
8. So the cops are basically on strike.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:29 PM
Dec 2014

Wow!

There is SO much wrong with this dystopian society.

I have an eerie feeling that is going to be fuel for the
fire of privatization.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
9. The white right wing owns and rules the country . De Blasio being a progressive is a direct
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:30 PM
Dec 2014

threat to their power . They live in constant fear of losing any of their control and power over the
people . Fear is their weapon .

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
12. Awesome! Keep up the better work.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:34 PM
Dec 2014

You mean they're not writing petty traffic tickets to make their quota? You mean they're not harassing as many people and making up lame excuses to issue citations? FA-BU-LOUS!!!!

If they keep this up for a few weeks, we'll notice that crime rates aren't affected and a whole lot of those boys in blue aren't needed. Time to right-size the NYPD, and keep the cops who take care of actual crimes and don't play bully boys among the regular population.

bettydavis

(93 posts)
13. this seeeeems actually ...
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:35 PM
Dec 2014

kinda frickin great! half of what they do is harass people for no good reason. All arrests should have only be made when absolutely necessary. They finally get it! This could be the best thing that ever happened to my town. protesters left alone, amateur filmmakers can make their crappy art without fear, banksy can run a muck, musicians can play in the subway without fear. what's the bad side? They never came when you called for a real crime any damn way.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
14. Has crime gone up accordingly?
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:35 PM
Dec 2014

If not, let's do a productivity study. The average NYPD cop represents a significant expense to taxpayers.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
45. The average NYC employee represents a significant expense to taxpayers.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:08 PM
Dec 2014

Should we do a productivity study on all union employees or just the unions you don't like?

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
57. How about just the ones that are refusing to do their jobs.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:31 PM
Dec 2014

How about that, or does that ruffle your feathers too much?

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
15. This Is The NY Post
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:36 PM
Dec 2014

Hardly a reliable source so buyer beware. More likely a story planted by the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association as part or their war with de Blasio.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
16. I wonder how much the stats for the crime rate are linked to the arrest rate....
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:37 PM
Dec 2014

It would be a hell of a note to discover numbers are grossly inflated to justify the resources.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
18. "NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent"
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:38 PM
Dec 2014

GOOD!



Maybe they can now start fighting real crime instead of waddling their FAT asses around the city writing tickets all day and harassing street vendors





Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
21. Hmmmm....
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:40 PM
Dec 2014
The Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association has warned its members to put their safety first and not make arrests “unless absolutely necessary.”


As it should be. We should be making no arrests that are not absolutely necessary. It seems to be working. Keep on marching. We're getting what we want.

So how many arrests have been made that are not absolutely necessary? What an odd thing for them to say.

Jacoby365

(451 posts)
22. "not make arrests unless it's absolutely necessary"
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:40 PM
Dec 2014

Isn't this exactly how it should be? So they have temporarily eliminated petty arrests and the planting of evidence just to make quotas? I say they should make this a permanent deal.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
23. Good news
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:41 PM
Dec 2014

I hope this means fewer overtime hours too. They often timed things such as arrests in order to get overtime pay.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
25. It smells to me like "a police state" muscle flex
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:45 PM
Dec 2014

Hate to sound like "a conspiracy theorist", but this seems like a prime example of police in control of society, versus police serving and protecting. WTF is going on in NYC? I'm sure glad they aren't my police department. I'd be so damned angry and ashamed of every one of those thugs.

Are you satisfied with your public servants defying their service and stubbornly doing their best to put ALL their grievances on their boss for some twisted meanings to words he shared publicly? Instead of addressing the publics' concerns, they defy any introspection and wants to stomp their feet like angry little brats who can't face reality.

Fuck the NYC cops! Seems like they've decided to fuck the people they serve.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
26. Traffic tickets and minor offenses. Finally. Like loose cigs and jay walking? There never was a need
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:47 PM
Dec 2014

for that kind of push on those things anyhow. Maybe when they come back to work they will do some real police work.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. Was it "absolutely necessary" to put Garner in a choke-hold, assholes?
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:48 PM
Dec 2014

So NOW you decide to start doing your fucking jobs?

Isn't this essentially an admission of bullying?

Kber

(5,043 posts)
74. 100% right on!
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:08 PM
Dec 2014

This work slowdown may actually save lives.

Garners attempted arrest was not at all necessary. He'd be alive and there for his wife and kids today if this were the policy all along.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
36. Exacxtly!
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:54 PM
Dec 2014

But even just nuisance summons are great for keeping the poor in their place. They still work, but they lose money for BS "crimes".

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
37. I'm paying some court costs myself.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:55 PM
Dec 2014

But I get treated normal by the system. Female, speak well, you know, an acceptable negro.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
39. The sad fact is though...
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 03:57 PM
Dec 2014

If you were a white woman, you probably wouldn't have been in court. A reality our society is no where near fixing.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
40. I would have.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:02 PM
Dec 2014

I took out a bus bench and a (very small) decorative light pole that came with the bus stop with my suv. I got dizzy from the flu on the way from the pharmacy. They didn't even ask me if I was drunk or overmedicated. I had weed in my boot. No pat down. Black lady cop. She gave me a hug, cause I was upset. And called me a cab. They gave me the lightest punishment possible. A fine and sr22 for a couple of years. Not too bad considering.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
44. I'm not familiar with sr22 as a term.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:06 PM
Dec 2014

I guess I don't see the criminal intent. I could see making you pay for the bench (insurance?), but getting dizzy isn't premeditated like getting drunk. I drove from PA to CT with the stomach flu. Miserable drive, but I made it OK.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
48. Insurance for bad drivers, lol!
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:12 PM
Dec 2014

Yeah, they called it reckless cause i said i shouldn't have been driving. Paid for the bench. I think they took the court costs from my pfd (permanent fund dividend). It was fine after that.
I was in traffic court, lol! I've never been to criminal court for myself. Too boring.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
43. Depends on what "necessary arrests" means.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:05 PM
Dec 2014

If I'm beating up somebody and won't stop unless arrested, sure, it's necessary. Or likely to be. It would stop me from hurting somebody.

If I just mugged you and I'm running away, if I've stopped beating you and I'm running away, is my arrest necessary? Why? I'm not hurting anybody.

Is that the distinction drawn?

What if I'm just breaking a window or stealing out of a car. Is the arrest necessary? "Necessary", like many other words ("good," "bad," "virtuous&quot get their meaning from context. Up-thread most posters have some definition in mind, but it's pretty clear that in a lot of cases they're really different definitions, and it depends mostly on the level of good or ill-will towards police in general.

No common language, no means for discussion.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
66. If the pig has been disrespected, arrest is necessary.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:54 PM
Dec 2014

Anything that cuts short their coffee klatch at the 7-11, is not necessary.

DLnyc

(2,479 posts)
46. Honestly, I feel a lot safer walking around NYC with fewer cops driving around.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:09 PM
Dec 2014

And I happen to have white skin.

The NYPD is quite delusional thinking that we can't survive without their macho asses strutting around all day giving people dirty looks and flouting the law.

Maybe they will do us a favor and quit, just to show us how bad we hurt their feelings by saying we want some say in how they operate.

onethatcares

(16,172 posts)
41. shortly we will hear of
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:03 PM
Dec 2014

how this affected the bottom line income of the city.

Would these guys be labeled "Union Thugs" by those that usually use the same rhetoric?

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
50. So the NYPD want the right to choke someone to death
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:16 PM
Dec 2014

This is utter bullshit.

Why aren't the police officers all in an uproar over the NRA and Teabagger groups after Eric Frein, a known right-wing anti-government pro-gun white guy shot a PA State Policeman and then hid out in the Poconos for weeks.

That man-hunt cost PA Taxpayers millions and put a region of the Poconos in fear that there was a sniper out there people hunting. I don't see the Police Unions getting pissed about these pro-gun groups of mainly White Americans out there causing problems and also killing police officers.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
53. real upstand people eh.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:20 PM
Dec 2014

serving, protecting, all that SHIT.

what is behind all this drama? the police have fucked up and they should be able to recognize the need to change their ways. start with respecting the people they deal with day in and out. the attitude they seem to be clinging to is at the very least incredibly immature. it's like they know nothing BUT how to be bullies. i'm disgusted.

are they actually afraid that they will not be able to get away with racial profiling, abusing people at will, and murder? so this just scares them so much they cannot or will not do their jobs? it's sick.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
60. Probably this was a late follow-up to the
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:37 PM
Dec 2014

Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman debacle. And the last few cases of police being found not guilty by juries and judges made the police feel invincible. I do not know who suggested to the NYPD that they turn their backs to the mayor, but it was ill-decided. How can anyone feel safe now?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
63. In other news....
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:53 PM
Dec 2014

Persons of color find peace and tranquility with the cessation of police hostilities in NYC.

I guess with the cop's work stoppage the violent crime in the city has dropped dramatically.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
65. Time to Occupy Wall Street again
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:53 PM
Dec 2014

'cept I'm guessing there'll be no slowdown in arresting dirty hippies.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
68. What do the citizens of NY think or want
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:55 PM
Dec 2014

the police to do, after all, the police really work for them, not the administration.
What do the people want?

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
75. Oh for cripe's sake!
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:09 PM
Dec 2014

Would someone change their diapers already? Bunch of power hungry authoritarians throw a tantrum when they get challenged. Fucking boohoo!

mainer

(12,022 posts)
80. I had no idea that writing traffic tickets was such a dangerous job
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:36 PM
Dec 2014

So dangerous that now they've stopped doing it because they're scared?

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
82. They're behaving as if….
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:42 PM
Dec 2014

…they'd like something really terrible to happen in NYC and they could then smirk. I live here, and I refuse to be bullied by bullies.

Shame on them.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
84. If you can get them to admit what they're doing
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 06:32 PM
Dec 2014

I'm sure that the statement the union gives will involve a lot of "officer safety" and "safety of our officers" and all kinds of words like that.

And if you think this will stop at traffic tickets and summonses, you're crazy. On thursday there's going to be the whole ball drop thing and a couple big protests. What's the city to do if there is inadequate police coverage? What if nobody blocks traffic for these protests?

I suspect some bad shit is going to happen.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
85. Don't make arrests “unless absolutely necessary”?
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 06:46 PM
Dec 2014

This sounds like a huge move in the right direction. The fact that this isn't SOP is probably the source of many criminal justice problems. We have too many people being arrested unnecessarily. I hope this "slowdown" goes on for a long, long time.

1Greensix

(111 posts)
87. So what's the problem
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 09:19 PM
Dec 2014

I haven't seen anything on Fox News about widespread crime and traffic speeders, so I assume the city is still running smoothly and relatively crime free. Seems to me like they should be able to LAY OFF an awful lot of Unnecessary cops. This is the time for the mayor to put the police in line and under His supervision and Control. Lay off 1500 redundant cops that are standing around Not writing tickets.

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