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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:38 PM Dec 2014

UPDATE: Plymouth School Department employees wake to post-Christmas payroll error

Source: Wicked Local Plymouth

More than 1,300 Plymouth Public Schools employees, from cafeteria workers to top administrators, woke up Friday morning to find that their bank account balances were significantly lower than expected. Not only were their bi-weekly paychecks missing, but two additional weeks of pay had also been withdrawn from their accounts.

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“I can’t believe this was even possible,” one veteran teacher told the Old Colony. “How can they take money out of your account without your permission?”

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“We have hundreds of banks associated with these accounts, and right now we are calling each, informing them of the situation and asking that they return the funds,” Arrighi said Friday.

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Many of the affected employees were angry, both about the potential damage to their financial situations and the way they were informed - or rather not informed - of the debacle.

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Read more: http://plymouth.wickedlocal.com/article/20141230/NEWS/141239929



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UPDATE: Plymouth School Department employees wake to post-Christmas payroll error (Original Post) bananas Dec 2014 OP
I'm going to guess that for a lot of people SheilaT Dec 2014 #1
Especially at Christmas. Accounts are low. n/t progressoid Dec 2014 #11
According to the article they said they were going to. nt cstanleytech Dec 2014 #24
Apparently when you sign up for auto-deposit, you authorize them to withdraw from your account. bananas Dec 2014 #2
Would that be true of all auto-deposits? SheilaT Dec 2014 #3
I haven't confirmed it with a lawyer, but apparently yes. bananas Dec 2014 #6
That is true of ALL permissions you give for $ access to your account. We keep a separate one jtuck004 Dec 2014 #10
And Soc. Sec.MANDATED electronic deposits as of 2013. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #19
Direct Deposit also includes "Direct Withdraw" jeff47 Dec 2014 #18
Does this apply to Social Security checks ??? SamKnause Dec 2014 #14
Here's another source: Plymouth Continues Efforts To Fix Massive Payroll Error For School Workers bananas Dec 2014 #4
That is one good reason not to set up automatic upaloopa Dec 2014 #5
I wasn't aware of this until a few minutes ago. bananas Dec 2014 #7
In some occupations 2naSalit Dec 2014 #13
I work for government and we are required upaloopa Dec 2014 #15
Thought about that 2naSalit Dec 2014 #21
It's a Christmas miracle! /nt Ash_F Dec 2014 #8
Every time a bell rings it's another checking account being emptied. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #9
I'm a payroll professional Freddie Dec 2014 #12
ok, what? d_r Dec 2014 #16
I think he meant that most clerical workers are female. n/t ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #17
Most payroll people are female Freddie Dec 2014 #20
At the bank, there are inbound and outbound files Ruby the Liberal Dec 2014 #22
True, never thought of that Freddie Dec 2014 #23
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. I'm going to guess that for a lot of people
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:42 PM
Dec 2014

withdrawing an extra two weeks pay would overdraw the accounts. Just hope the school district pays all the fees involved.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
2. Apparently when you sign up for auto-deposit, you authorize them to withdraw from your account.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:43 PM
Dec 2014

This is true for any account, including yours.
Someone told me this happened to them several years ago.
Some people don't sign up for auto-deposit because of this.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. Would that be true of all auto-deposits?
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:45 PM
Dec 2014

Do I need to double check on the two auto-deposit things I have to my checking account?

bananas

(27,509 posts)
6. I haven't confirmed it with a lawyer, but apparently yes.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:48 PM
Dec 2014

I'm not sure a bank would be completely forthcoming about this, they might phrase it deceptively.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. That is true of ALL permissions you give for $ access to your account. We keep a separate one
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:04 PM
Dec 2014

for payments and move money into it for that reason. No one has authorization for our main account. The bank can touch it, but it's much harder.

You are, essentially, giving someone carte blanche to put money in and take it out when you do this. In my experience it's pretty much standard.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
19. And Soc. Sec.MANDATED electronic deposits as of 2013.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:51 PM
Dec 2014

It's a good think we can trust the Gov't not to do anything under handed with our money.........

right?

RIGHT????

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
18. Direct Deposit also includes "Direct Withdraw"
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:48 PM
Dec 2014

The theory being to correct errors.

For example, an employer many years ago accidentally deposited everyone's paycheck twice. They withdrew the extra paycheck (after providing lots of warning that it was coming, so people didn't move the money).

The protections against this being abused are various fraud laws and banking regulations. It's not much of a danger since it's very rare, but you should be aware it could happen

SamKnause

(13,107 posts)
14. Does this apply to Social Security checks ???
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:34 PM
Dec 2014

Does this mean the government has control over my checking account ??

bananas

(27,509 posts)
4. Here's another source: Plymouth Continues Efforts To Fix Massive Payroll Error For School Workers
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:46 PM
Dec 2014

In case the LBN hosts find this too hard to believe:

http://www.capecod.com/newscenter/plymouth-continues-efforts-fix-massive-payroll-error-school-workers/

Plymouth Continues Efforts To Fix Massive Payroll Error For School Workers
December 30, 2014

PLYMOUTH - The payroll error impacting all 1,300 employees of the Plymouth school system is causing major headaches for the town.

The Plymouth town administration has taken responsibility for the error, which resulted in workers not receiving their paychecks and also having money withdrawn from their bank accounts. The town will be covering any fees associated with that mistake, according to Donna Ramsey, the president of the Educational Association of Plymouth and Carver.

“They brought in a skeleton crew on Friday when town hall was supposed to be closed, so they took this very, very seriously. They knew the impact,” said Ramsey. “The town manager of Plymouth has taken full control of this. The town has taken responsibility for the error. The school side and the town side have been working with all of the banks.”

The town has to work with hundreds of banks to restore the funds, she said.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
7. I wasn't aware of this until a few minutes ago.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:52 PM
Dec 2014

Somebody just told me it happened to them several years ago.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
13. In some occupations
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:31 PM
Dec 2014

like the federal gov't, direct deposit is required. Some private sector occupations require it as well. I think my state requires it too.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
15. I work for government and we are required
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:40 PM
Dec 2014

to have direct deposit. But I am saying in that case you should not set up any automatic bill payments because you could have your account drained and the automatic payments would give you overdraft charges at up to $35 a pop before you know it and you have no control over it.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
21. Thought about that
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 06:42 PM
Dec 2014

which is why all payments from me come in the form of USPS money orders... including student loan payments. I lead a pretty simple existence so I can do that and not have any problems with anyone about. I figure they are glad they even get any $$. I pay bills when there's $$, if not, we all have to wait until I do. Nobody gets access to my acct. info such that they can extract anything. And I don't keep much in that acct anyway.

Don't have credit cards and I'm glad I don't have to use them, so far.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
12. I'm a payroll professional
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:24 PM
Dec 2014

Been in the business for 30 years now. Work for a school district now.
The district probably has 1 person responsible for the entire payroll and she (most likely female) didn't have a good system of double-checking to make sure everything was in order before hitting "send" to the bank. Not a conspiracy, just a screw-up. Major. The district and the sending bank will make everyone whole (fees, etc.)
One time a few years ago I did everything right on my end and the guy at the bank who transmits the files to other banks was on vacation and nobody did his job. This could have happened also. The bank has since put many procedures in place so that never happens again, although in unusual circumstances (like sending payroll very early due to a holiday) I call there anyway. 99.9% of the time you can trust direct deposit! This was the .01%.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
20. Most payroll people are female
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 05:56 PM
Dec 2014

Like myself (Freddie is an oversized orange tabby). Please no offense intended.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
22. At the bank, there are inbound and outbound files
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 06:54 PM
Dec 2014

If the payroll submission accidentally got classified/processed as as inbound as opposed to outbound, the error would be on the bank who manages the payroll account, not the school payroll department.

Why dual control is critical.

I wouldn't rule out the bank without an audit of their EPN/FED system.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
23. True, never thought of that
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 07:00 PM
Dec 2014

Much as we like to think of these things as "automated", there's still humans involved. Job security

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