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muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 07:43 PM Dec 2014

Iraqi forces 'recapture Dhuluiya from Islamic State'

Source: BBC

Iraqi government forces and allied Shia militia have recaptured the town of Dhuluiya, north of Baghdad, from Islamic State, security sources say.

One source at the Iraqi army's Samarra Operations Command said almost 300 IS fighters had been killed in the battle.

There has been no independent confirmation of the reports.

IS fighters seized the northern half of Dhuluiya in June and surrounded the southern half after a local Sunni tribe refused to swear allegiance.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30632134

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Iraqi forces 'recapture Dhuluiya from Islamic State' (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 OP
With just a little help from three thousand U.S. combat troops on the ground . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #1
Link please to any credible source that suggests the US had three thousand troops on the ground karynnj Dec 2014 #3
It's been repeatedly admitted by our own government . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #5
If there were 3000 combat troops on the ground in that area, there would be karynnj Dec 2014 #17
Are they actually fighting? GGJohn Dec 2014 #4
A Kurdish news service ran a story about a week ago . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #7
Different town, different province, though muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #12
Don't expect that kind of story to come out of any Iraqi news service . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #14
How convenient for you! Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #19
I wish we were doing more Kurska Dec 2014 #6
Islamic State fighters are self-righteous, perverse, medieval, cruel and murderous . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #9
Lets see Kurska Dec 2014 #10
Not corporatist partners with supportive cartels of industrial and banking interests though? another_liberal Dec 2014 #11
"They Islamic state does have ethnic or nationalistic motivations" Kurska Dec 2014 #16
They'd better slow down or they'll never drag this war out for 30 years. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2014 #2
Hadn't we better kill all of their wives and children too . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #8
Why are independent sources so hard to find? It's the BBC, after all. Were their journalists killed? freshwest Dec 2014 #13
You can't always put journalists in every town in a warzone muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #15
TY. And guessing that ISIS is monitoring all sources as well, so they can't tell details, etc. freshwest Dec 2014 #18
 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
1. With just a little help from three thousand U.S. combat troops on the ground . . .
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 08:46 PM
Dec 2014

And intense, unopposed U.S. air power over the battlefield, it should be added.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
3. Link please to any credible source that suggests the US had three thousand troops on the ground
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 09:04 PM
Dec 2014

It is sick that you seem to almost be pining for a major US defeat -- anywhere.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
5. It's been repeatedly admitted by our own government . . .
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 09:13 PM
Dec 2014

Of course they are still officially referred to as "Advisers/Trainers." (Wink, wink . . . nudge, nudge.)

As to your suggestion that I am "pining" for an American "defeat": Rather I'm demanding an American government which respects international law and lives up to the treaties and agreements signed in the name of the American people. I will not remain silent as we continue to act as if we truly are an "Exceptional" power, destined to rule the entire planet by right of our (oh so temporary) military and economic superiority.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
17. If there were 3000 combat troops on the ground in that area, there would be
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 11:22 AM
Dec 2014

a large number of deaths --- and even Russia was unable to hide the deaths of their soldiers who were fighting in the Ukraine.

As to this effort, I think you missed the UN session where a resolution against ISIS was passed and you ignore that over 60 countries, including many in the region are fighting ISIS with us. In fact, the big difference between this and the past conflicts there is that the US is NOT taking the lead combat role and the reason is not just to prevent US deaths, but because a US victory has tended to disappear as soon as we leave.

Not to mention, I saw you justify Russia annexing the Ukraine and fighting in eastern Ukraine -- and they had no UN support for that.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
7. A Kurdish news service ran a story about a week ago . . .
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 09:24 PM
Dec 2014

It announced that Americans on the Kurdish front had just won their first combat engagement with the Islamic State forces. Here is a link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025980446

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
12. Different town, different province, though
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 05:25 AM
Dec 2014

There may be 3,000 American troops in Iraq, but that doesn't mean all, or any of them, were in Dhuluiya. You don't say "the Iraqi army of 250,000 captured Dhuluiya", even though that's the total strength of the army. So "with just a little help from three thousand U.S. combat troops on the ground" is not a meaningful comment to make about this.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
14. Don't expect that kind of story to come out of any Iraqi news service . . .
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 08:41 AM
Dec 2014

We have reporting coming out of that place locked down way too damn tightly.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
6. I wish we were doing more
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 09:19 PM
Dec 2014

We ought to be funneling arms and advisors to the Kurds. As much as they need to fight these dangerous fascist scum.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
9. Islamic State fighters are self-righteous, perverse, medieval, cruel and murderous . . .
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 10:11 PM
Dec 2014

However, they are not fascists. That is a quite different kind of horrible, disgusting person.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
10. Lets see
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 10:16 PM
Dec 2014

Authoritarian: Check
Have engaged in ethnic cleansing of minorities: Check
Militaristic and expansionist: Check
Zealous defenders of the "old ways" and traditions: Check

Fascists.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
11. Not corporatist partners with supportive cartels of industrial and banking interests though?
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 10:24 PM
Dec 2014

And they embrace a Religious justification for their movement, not an ethnic or nationalistic one, don't they?

If the Islamic State is fascist, then so were the Huns and the Mongols. You are straining the definition well beyond its intended meaning.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
16. "They Islamic state does have ethnic or nationalistic motivations"
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 10:36 AM
Dec 2014

Alright, your credibility is basically shot at this point.

It is a pan-arab movement.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
2. They'd better slow down or they'll never drag this war out for 30 years.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 09:04 PM
Dec 2014

We've been told by Pentagon types that defeating ISIS may take 30 years. That's a flat-out lie. Whether or not one believes the US should be involved, we are, and as such, there's no reason that every ISIS fighter couldn't be dead or incapacitated within a matter of months.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
8. Hadn't we better kill all of their wives and children too . . .
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 10:04 PM
Dec 2014

Or maybe it would be best to just kill everyone? It really is so hard to tell who is and who isn't an "Evil-doer" over there, and we can't risk not killing all of them, right?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
13. Why are independent sources so hard to find? It's the BBC, after all. Were their journalists killed?
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 06:36 AM
Dec 2014

Don't get me wrong, and I'm not disrespecting the OP. But I don't think it's a good idea to get up close to that mess over there, if one wants to come home in one piece, that is. Who do we trust to tell us what is going on there?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
15. You can't always put journalists in every town in a warzone
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 08:44 AM
Dec 2014

As you say, it's dangerous, and that means a journalist can't necessarily get to somewhere else within hours, when news comes from it, to verify it.

Iran's Press TV has a similar report, though it's not clear if that's also relaying what the Iraqi government says.

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