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muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 09:39 AM Jan 2015

Boko Haram 'seizes army base' in Nigeria town of Baga

Source: BBC

Officials in Nigeria say the Islamist group Boko Haram has seized a town and a military base used by a multinational force set up to fight the insurgents.

The senator for Borno North said troops abandoned the base in the town of Baga after it was attacked on Saturday.

Residents of Baga, who fled by boat to neighbouring Chad, said many people had been killed and the town set ablaze.

Baga, scene of a Nigerian army massacre in 2013, was one of the last towns in the area under government control.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30672391

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Boko Haram 'seizes army base' in Nigeria town of Baga (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 OP
oh brother n/t cosmicone Jan 2015 #1
And people wonder why the US is always the "policeman of the world"? 7962 Jan 2015 #2
Or don't want to spend endless blood and treasure to "win" daleo Jan 2015 #8
The phrase "not our problem" does come to mind. Brigid Jan 2015 #11
Until they get their hands on weapons from the military bases they seize christx30 Jan 2015 #15
These sound eerily like . . . Brigid Jan 2015 #16
I'm not saying that we should get involved. christx30 Jan 2015 #18
I would love to see them try. Brigid Jan 2015 #23
Our endless wars and "police actions" area51 Jan 2015 #13
The Nigerian military seems to be nothing but a bad joke. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2015 #3
Grumpy...Question. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #4
I don't see much of one. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2015 #5
Thank you. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #7
Its not a cheap shot. These groups have NOTHING in common BUT Islam 7962 Jan 2015 #9
I stand by my analysis above. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jan 2015 #12
+1000 leftynyc Jan 2015 #26
If I remember they each recognize the other as a 'legitimate' caliphate now Posteritatis Jan 2015 #6
A Nigerian taxi driver I met confirms this flamingdem Jan 2015 #10
Well, for starters it is incredibly corrupt, bloated, inept and over-centralized Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #20
Boko Haram crisis: Nigeria's Baga town hit by new assault muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #14
At least 100 people killed by Boko Haram in Nigerian town of Baga on Wednesday Bosonic Jan 2015 #17
So how much of Africa is going to go up in flames now? bemildred Jan 2015 #19
Or maybe just blame white Westerners oberliner Jan 2015 #25
Plenty of blame to go around in my view, but you won't fix much that way. nt bemildred Jan 2015 #27
Any ideas on what to do about Boko Haram? oberliner Jan 2015 #28
There is no neat simple solution. bemildred Jan 2015 #29
I recall a news story some months ago kentauros Jan 2015 #30
Mysterious snakes, bees attack Boko Haram in Sambisa Forest oberliner Jan 2015 #31
Boko Haram crisis: Niger 'will not help retake' town of Baga muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #21
Damaturu reportedly under serious Boko Haram attack Bosonic Jan 2015 #22
Nigeria's Boko Haram: Baga destruction 'shown in images' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #24
Boko Haram are a horrible, destructive group LeftishBrit Jan 2015 #32
I can't decide if the Nigerian military is GOLGO 13 Jan 2015 #33
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
2. And people wonder why the US is always the "policeman of the world"?
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 09:59 AM
Jan 2015

Its because of things like this. A "multinational" force cuts and runs when a group of terrorists attacks them. In many cases there is no option but to ask the US, or maybe a couple other capable countries, for help. The only times we lose is when we decide we dont want to win

christx30

(6,241 posts)
15. Until they get their hands on weapons from the military bases they seize
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jan 2015

and 10's of thousands of recruits from when the government fails. The humanitarian crisis they will cause will kill 100's of thousands. Those 200 school girls they kidnapped are just the beginning.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
16. These sound eerily like . . .
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 01:10 PM
Jan 2015

The arguments used to get us involved in most of the wars that have cost us so dearly in blood and treasure -- all for nothing.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
18. I'm not saying that we should get involved.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 02:07 PM
Jan 2015

I'm under no illusion that it would do any good. But ISIS has shown that they can use stolen weapons as good or better than the people we arm. And the local militaries can't seem to take care of the problem. I'm just dreading the day we have an IS or a Boko guy showing up at the UN demanding international recognition.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
23. I would love to see them try.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 12:49 AM
Jan 2015

Considering their barbaric behavior -- the only kind of behavior they seem to know.

area51

(11,910 posts)
13. Our endless wars and "police actions"
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:43 AM
Jan 2015

are the reason why we don't have health care as a basic human right, and why our infrastructure is crumbling. Most of our taxes are going to the military including civilian cos. which supply them, and blackops.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
3. The Nigerian military seems to be nothing but a bad joke.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jan 2015

Although it does appear it is nearly as good at killing civilians as Boko Haram is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baga_massacre

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
5. I don't see much of one.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jan 2015

You have to wonder why it is that such barbaric movements gain traction.

I think it's a cheap shot to blame it on Islam. If the conditions were right, we could just as easily see nihilistic movements claiming the mantle of Christianity or Hinduism to justify their actions.

I think these movements are horribly misguided responses to horribly fucked up societies. And they fill an ideological gap: They are in rebellion against the world as it is, and radical jihadism provides an organizing principle. Oh, for the good old days of Communist national liberation movements.

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
7. Thank you.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:46 PM
Jan 2015

Yea, how anyone could engage in barbaric heinous actions is something I will never understand.

Killing without remorse...what a weird concept.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
9. Its not a cheap shot. These groups have NOTHING in common BUT Islam
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:08 PM
Jan 2015

The countries couldnt be much different from each other. The races couldnt be much different from each other either. They attack poor and rich alike only because they believe differently. The book they read calls for violence in many different ways for those who do not believe as they do.
The only way to get rid of them is when the Islamic majority tire of being painted with their brush and push back hard.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
6. If I remember they each recognize the other as a 'legitimate' caliphate now
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jan 2015

So they agree on doctrine and conduct at least that much.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
20. Well, for starters it is incredibly corrupt, bloated, inept and over-centralized
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jan 2015

Not unlike Mexico...

Secondly, the country is 50/50 split between christians and muslims, and the majority of the economic/political power is in the christian south

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
14. Boko Haram crisis: Nigeria's Baga town hit by new assault
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 10:07 AM
Jan 2015
Nigeria's militant Islamists have carried out a second attack on the key north-eastern town of Baga, an official has told the BBC.

Boko Haram fighters burnt down almost the entire town on Wednesday, after over-running a military base on Saturday, Musa Alhaji Bukar said.

Bodies lay strewn on Baga's streets, amid fears that some 2,000 people had been killed in the raids, he added.
...
Mr Bukar, a senior government official in the area, said that fleeing residents told him that the town, which had a population of about 10,000, was now "virtually non-existent".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30728158

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
17. At least 100 people killed by Boko Haram in Nigerian town of Baga on Wednesday
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jan 2015
At least 100 people killed by Boko Haram in Nigerian town of Baga on Wednesday

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/553230783264333824

Boko Haram destroys at least 16 towns, villages in NE Nigeria: local officials

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/553222780519731201

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
19. So how much of Africa is going to go up in flames now?
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 05:40 PM
Jan 2015

We should embargo weapons and bomb them with food and cash. That would calm things down. As it is, I see little to hope for.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
28. Any ideas on what to do about Boko Haram?
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:05 AM
Jan 2015

People talk about how it's not getting enough coverage, but if it was getting wall-to-wall coverage, what would be (and/or should be) the response from the US?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
29. There is no neat simple solution.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jan 2015

But ensuring food security for everybody in the area would be a start. You send in an armed force, take an area, move supplies in and feed the crowd, take care of them, get order restored, do some recruiting. Then, when that settles down, you do the next area, and so on. Meanwhile you make sure everybody in the surrounding areas knows about it.

You need the military to protect the civilians, and you need the civilians to protect and guide the military, it's symbiotic.

Medical care is useful too.

The main problem with food bombs is they get co-opted and don't get to the intended targets in the intended way, so you have to do it stepwise.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
30. I recall a news story some months ago
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jan 2015

that talked about how some members of Boko Haram were fleeing a section of forest where they'd hid, due to the spiders and snakes within it. Their various religious beliefs had something to do with their fear of the snakes and spiders.

Well, that was a lightbulb moment. If their members are so afraid of spiders and snakes that they'd flee from their locations simply because those creatures are in their area, then why not drop nonpoisonous spiders and snakes on them at night? They can't tell if they're poisonous at first glance, and it does seem like a glance is all it takes to put enough fear into them that they are no longer a threat.

I don't recall if the story mentioned them dropping their weapons or not, but, if nothing else, rubber spiders and snakes might work just as well if dropped at night

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
31. Mysterious snakes, bees attack Boko Haram in Sambisa Forest
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jan 2015

MAIDUGURI—Some members of the Islamist sect, Boko Haram, arrested yesterday at Mairi ward behind University of Maiduguri by members of the Civilian JTF vigilante group, have confessed that most of them are fleeing the Sambisa Forest to areas across Borno State owing to what they believe is spiritual attacks from mysterious snakes and bees, which had killed many of their leaders.

ttp://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/06/mysterious-snakes-bees-attack-boko-haram-sambisa-forest/#sthash.mJKceOgs.dpuf

Interesting.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
21. Boko Haram crisis: Niger 'will not help retake' town of Baga
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 06:56 AM
Jan 2015
Niger has said it will not be involved in any attempt to retake the key north-east Nigerian town of Baga from the militant Islamist group, Boko Haram.

Bodies reportedly lay strewn on the streets of the town following an assault by the Islamists on Wednesday, with hundreds feared killed.
...
Soldiers from Niger had been there but were not present when it was attacked.

The BBC's Nasidi Yahaya in Abuja says the decision of Niger is clearly a big blow to Nigeria which boasts that the presence of a multinational task force in the area would help defeat Boko Haram militants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30743030

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
22. Damaturu reportedly under serious Boko Haram attack
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 05:58 PM
Jan 2015
Damaturu reportedly under serious Boko Haram attack

Incoming reports indicate that Damature, the capital of Yobe state, is under heavy attack by suspected Boko Haram insurgents.

This is happening barely one month after the militants attacked residents of the town.

There are currently multiple explosions and heavy gunfire.

PREMIUM TIMES spoke with Umar Haruna, a civil servant resident in Damaturu and he confirmed the assault started around 8pm. “We are under attack; gun shooting everywhere in Damaturu…we dont know what to do now,” he said.

http://dailypost.ng/2015/01/09/breaking-damaturu-reportedly-serious-boko-haram-attack/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damaturu

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
24. Nigeria's Boko Haram: Baga destruction 'shown in images'
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 09:15 AM
Jan 2015
Satellite images of Nigerian towns attacked by Boko Haram show widespread destruction and suggest a high death toll, Amnesty International says.

The images show some 3,700 structures damaged or destroyed in Baga and Doron Baga this month, Amnesty said.

Nigeria's government has disputed reports that as many as 2,000 were killed, putting the toll at just 150.

Amnesty cited witnesses saying that militants had killed indiscriminately. It said the damage was "catastrophic".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30826582



http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/nigeria-satellite-images-show-horrific-scale-boko-haram-attack-baga-2015-01-15

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
33. I can't decide if the Nigerian military is
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:29 PM
Jan 2015

Incompetent, corrupt, unmanly or a combination of everything. Never heard of a military that allows such actions without a response.

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