(British) Nursery staff to be forced to report toddlers at risk of becoming terrorists
Source: The Independent (UK)
Nursery staff will be forced to report toddlers at risk of becoming terrorists under plans drawn up by the Home Office.
It is part of the departments consultation over ways to enhance its anti-terrorism strategy, Prevent.
Critics have dismissed the proposals as being unnecessarily draconian and turning staff, who are meant to be caring for youngsters, into spies.
Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nursery-staff-to-be-forced-to-report-toddlers-at-risk-of-becoming-terrorists-9956414.html
Brings a whole new meaning to the term minority report.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,269 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)KG
(28,751 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)and track us like animals.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)yall were tagged long time ago....
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)will have real time update of coupons available! lol
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Indiana storing blood & DNA of 2 million children without parents' consent
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13 Investigates has discovered the Indiana State Department of Health is holding the blood samples of more than 2.25 million Hoosier children without their parents' permission. If your children were born in Indiana since 1991, chances are their blood and DNA is among the state's massive collection.
Following WTHR's investigation, state health officials are now seeking input on what to do with the blood samples after admitting they don't have the consent needed to use them for anything.
How Indiana got your kids' DNA
Indiana, like most other states, conducts a newborn screening test on every baby born within its borders. As required by state law, a nurse or midwife takes a few drops of blood from the heel of each newborn. (There is a limited exemption for families citing religious objections.)
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But there's another part of the program most parents were never told about. For decades, ISDH has been keeping the leftover blood samples for possible use in medical research. And the health department admits it never asked parents' permission to do that.
"No, we did nothing to notify parents," said Bowman. "That's why we are struggling right now to try to figure out what is the best and most appropriate thing to do."
Warehouse full of blood
State health officials say its collection of dried blood and DNA is currently stored in 666 bankers boxes in a large warehouse in Indianapolis. ISDH agreed to provide 13 Investigates with a photo that shows rows of boxes stacked on shelves inside the warehouse, but it would not allow WTHR to visit the warehouse or say where the warehouse is located.
http://www.wthr.com/story/25954821/2014/07/07/your-childs-dna-who-has-it
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)and cameras too, to send out some of their 47, 000? police.
I'm going to mail my cell phone on a trip around the world & expect a knock at the door from our trillion dollar 'Homeland security'
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)And we pay for them, not the government.
The whole "implants" thing is such tinfoil bullshit.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)This is what is known as "jumping the shark".
I used to think Britain was a civilized place...my eyes are seeing more clearly, now.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)but then...
When I moved to Cal. in 2000 I was informed that Mental Health professionals, who were mandatory reporters, were supposed to officially report any circumstances which MIGHT, in the future, harm someone.
Cal. law.
Not the normal mandatory reporting of believable threats to harm one's self or anther person, but any info. obtained in an interview that someone or their family member might possibly come to harm at some future date.
Example: Mom stays home with the kids but she drinks.
Have to report it because of the possibility of something happening from the situation.
Don't need to know how mcuh she drinks, when, where, etc.
Just "possible scenarios".
How the hell such reports were supposed to be acted upon by the already overburdened Soc. Ser. Depts, I have no idea.
You can imagine how little the clients wanted to say at intake, after they were advised of the law.
Heywood J
(2,515 posts)I hear there's a mean one out there.
alcina
(602 posts)Wasn't he at the Ayn Rand School for Tots?
ladjf
(17,320 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,544 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)that makes them capable of predicting who could or could not grow up to be a terrorist?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Their healthcare system, and 'care givers' are far superior to Americas.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)The healthcare system has been systemically gutted with plans to turn it into private for profit system.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)According to the new policy, before settlement visas can be issued to foreign caregivers, they must be receiving an hourly wage of at least £7.02. Only those receiving this amount would be eligible to apply for an Indefinite Leave to Remain visas, the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs said
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2011-11-09/uk/new%20uk-law-affects-filipino-caregivers-applying-for-permanent-residence.htm
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)nothing.
Of course that doesn't include the sometimes thousands they pay the company who brings in the foreign workers.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 4, 2015, 08:33 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.adzuna.co.uk/jobs/caregiverSo again, I ask the question how are they qualified to assess whether or not someone is going to be terrorist when they grow up?
Caring for children is even lower pay in UK
http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Child_Care_%2F_Day_Care_Worker/Hourly_Rate
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)I fit Louie Gohmert's terrorist babies profile to a tee. I was an anchor baby and at a very young age, I started back talking the nuns in catechism and once, I came into class after they'd said the Pledge of Allegiance. See? Death to America! Death to the Christians!
Using that template, you can make any kind of argument that any child will grow to be any kind of threat. I used to play with matches. I joined the US Army. I talked to my neighbor's dog. I'm the Son of Sam.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Rozlee
(2,529 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...on how kids behave. Just sayin'
What I can't figure out is how one can tell if a toddler is likely to become a terrorist. What are the signs?
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)they all look alike!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)a child who may be in need of medical attention.
Unlike the USA where childcare is only as good as the 'management'.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)important to the general publics life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
But we do seem to grow more 'home grown' terrorists
Nihil
(13,508 posts)The state will pay for up to 15 hours per week for the "school year" of 38 weeks
for ALL children between 3 & 4 years old.
There are additional grants that apply according to income, migration/asylum status,
working parent, benefit recipient and a bunch of other things.
The net result is that of the ten three-hour "sessions" per week, at least half are paid for
by the state - more depending on circumstances - which, although not perfect, isn't that
bad either.
(See //www.gov.uk/free-early-education for a starting point if you're interested.)
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Turborama
(22,109 posts)The consultation paper adds: Senior management and governors should make sure that staff have training that gives them the knowledge and confidence to identify children at risk of being drawn into terrorism and challenge extremist ideas which can be used to legitimise terrorism and are shared by terrorist groups.
They should know where and how to refer children and young people for further help.
But concern was raised over the practicalities of making it a legal requirement for staff to inform on toddlers.
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11323558/Anti-terror-plan-to-spy-on-toddlers-is-heavy-handed.html
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Terrorist toddlers? How about those who have had family killed for no good reason ?
Turborama
(22,109 posts)...if they go ahead with this.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The question is which ones will outgrow it!
undeterred
(34,658 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)6 year old yelled out "Superman" or "Death to the infidel!!" I couldn't really make it out. She was eating a pop tart at the time.
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davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)This must be one of their new priorities, I guess, right along with banning born which shows female ejaculation or face sitting.
How the hell do you spot a terrorist in a toddler? Are they supposed to try to pre-empt this shit now? OMG, that kid is picking it's nose in a suspicious manner... hey, that one made a suspicious hand-gesture just before it dirtied it's diaper.
What a load of crap. Who the hell thinks this stuff up? Seriously... must be awesome to have all their priorities in the right place. Which is not to say that we're any better. I mean, we jailed Martha Stewart, that rotten criminal... but we couldn't do a damn thing about war crimes.
Maybe next they'll try to ban eating, sleeping, or shitting in a suspicious manner.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)area51
(11,910 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)What it does say, in the schools section, is things like "Institutions will need to demonstrate that they are protecting children and young people from being drawn into terrorism by having robust safeguarding policies in place to identify children at risk, and intervening as appropriate (by referring pupils to Channel or Childrens Social Care, for example)."
So this is basically saying that you may need to refer children to the social services if you think they're at risk of being turned into terrorists. Just as you'd refer them if you think they're at risk of abuse. It's not about reporting them to the police.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)The concept "you may need to refer children to the social services if you think they're at risk" has been
around for decades.
Like most regulations & guidelines, the more detailed & specific the wording, the more torturous the
interpretation as both parties twist the blindingly obvious into hypotheticals & hyperbole.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)In first grade I made an enemies list that I carelessly left on the playground. A girl found it and turned me in. I was in so much trouble. The list had the principal's name, my teachers, the school police officer, the lunch lady and a few others on it.
I took four separate beatings for this, the worst from my father who was really embarrassed. A few days later I appeared at a school meeting between the staff and my parents. They were asking me questions about why I made an enemies list so I told them the truth: "Nixon made an enemies list, why can't I?"
The meeting ended shortly after that with no more mention of it ever again. This is a horrible law and I think it will increase terrorism. Kids are already into the "Jihadi Cool," thing over there now.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Absolutely futile.
How are they suppose to guess this, at the toddler stage? They can't, other than presupposing that all Muslim children, and I suppose Irish children, are at risk of becoming terrorists.
Simply racial profiling at the infant stage. Best they'll accomplish is alienating those children, thus preconditioning them with feelings of isolation likely to nurture terroristic resentment.
Proof that racism isn't purely an American problem; anywhere the white race exists it reacts with racism to different folk.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Lives up to its' name.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Because that's probably the worst kind of terrorism there is...
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Reporting toddlers as future terrorists, no hoodies in Oklahoma -- really??