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Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:29 AM Jan 2015

Passengers complain of 12-hour wait on tarmac

Source: Associated Press

Hundreds of air travelers landed in San Francisco, safe but irritated after a 28-hour overseas flight they say included 12 hours on a tarmac in the Middle East without food or accurate flight information.

Tempers grew short on Etihad Airways Flight 183 when fog in the city of Abu Dhabi delayed takeoff for a half-day, passengers told San Francisco broadcaster KGO.

"They kept telling us that we were going to leave, you know 15 minutes from now, 20 minutes from now, 30 minutes for now, for 12 hours," passenger Thomas Piani told reporters in San Francisco after finally landing in the city on Saturday evening.

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"No one was angry about the delay itself. If it's unsafe to fly, we don't want to fly," she said. "It just didn't seem to make any logical sense why we had to stay on the plane."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/passengers-complain-12-hour-wait-tarmac-205230738.html



This would drive me literally insane! And I am quite sure I would be arrested because of it.
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Passengers complain of 12-hour wait on tarmac (Original Post) Live and Learn Jan 2015 OP
i saw this on the news, they owe the passengers some compensation for this JI7 Jan 2015 #1
2 hours is pushing it as far as I am concerned. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #3
I am claustrophobic Mojorabbit Jan 2015 #40
Of all ME news w.r.t. the USA and the comfort of the US citizen, delrem Jan 2015 #2
Really, you think this applies only to US citizens? Live and Learn Jan 2015 #4
w.r.t.=with regard to strategery blunder Jan 2015 #5
Thank you. nt Live and Learn Jan 2015 #7
I suppose re: is no longer good, eh? CurtEastPoint Jan 2015 #23
I think RE: is a more common abbreviation for "regarding". Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #26
I Know What RobinA Jan 2015 #37
You know what, RobinA Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #41
Sorry Delrem, I overreacted to your post. I get that what we have done Live and Learn Jan 2015 #8
It's incongruous. To the reality of what the USA is doing to the ME. delrem Jan 2015 #11
That is true but it is another wrong being perpetrated Live and Learn Jan 2015 #13
I don't agree with your equivalence. delrem Jan 2015 #17
You are the one equivocating and being rude. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #18
Right, and the US "war on terror" is equivalent to .... delrem Jan 2015 #21
What does the US 'war on terror' have to do with pangaia Jan 2015 #27
from what i saw, many of these people seemed to be foreigners JI7 Jan 2015 #9
Ah, yes. The nitpick. delrem Jan 2015 #12
That was just rude on your part. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #14
Are you J17? delrem Jan 2015 #16
No. What is your point? nt Live and Learn Jan 2015 #19
My point is that you say I'm rude to respond to J17 delrem Jan 2015 #20
Woo, chill, dude.. pangaia Jan 2015 #28
you're still here! snooper2 Jan 2015 #33
I wouldn't make it more than 3 hours without killing someone, so yeah I'd be headed to jail too davidpdx Jan 2015 #6
I really don't get why it is so difficult to make humane accommodations. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #10
Apparently they said the terminal was full and other planes were in the same situation davidpdx Jan 2015 #15
7 year old kid crawls across dead family to escape plane wreck, makes her way to a house for help. jtuck004 Jan 2015 #22
That would be.. taxiway. pangaia Jan 2015 #30
Yeah, that. <G>. I quit flying so many years ago I can't count. I very much like jtuck004 Jan 2015 #34
I once sat on the tarmac at Dubai for 8 hours during a monsoon... brooklynite Jan 2015 #24
I sat on a JFK tarmac for 5-1/2 hours leftynyc Jan 2015 #25
JFK is hell. Worse than DeGaulle. riqster Jan 2015 #29
JFK and Heathrow. pangaia Jan 2015 #31
Especially if you checked a bag. riqster Jan 2015 #32
Who would feel safe on a plane that the pilot had been sitting in for twelve hours? nt. Snotcicles Jan 2015 #35
THAT is exactly my question. SoapBox Jan 2015 #36
The flight crew was switched. pangaia Jan 2015 #39
Check out their website: "Unparalleled comfort and service" HA! YOHABLO Jan 2015 #38

JI7

(89,252 posts)
1. i saw this on the news, they owe the passengers some compensation for this
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:40 AM
Jan 2015

there is no excuse for it.

i can maybe even understand it getting 2 hours. but you would think after 3, 5 ,7 + hours they would just let them off .

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
3. 2 hours is pushing it as far as I am concerned.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:45 AM
Jan 2015

I really hate flying anyway. There can be no good excuse for keeping passengers locked up as if they were in jail. Yet, complain too much and you end up in one.

If lawmakers had to travel in the same seats as the rest of us, they would get the point.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
40. I am claustrophobic
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jan 2015

I would have been a basket case after 30 minutes. They seem to always turn off the air when you have to sit on the tarmac and it gets unbearably hot and stuffy.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
2. Of all ME news w.r.t. the USA and the comfort of the US citizen,
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:45 AM
Jan 2015

this has to be top drawer.

Yes - absolutely, these US citizens have a right to complain!

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
4. Really, you think this applies only to US citizens?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:49 AM
Jan 2015

I bet nobody worldwide likes being forced to stay in an extremely limited and unhealthy environment for 12 hours longer than necessary for absolutely no good reason. But if you have some people that like doing so please feel free to post their comments.

I take it you don't mind the inconvenience but I also bet you have never experienced it.

And what the hell does w.r.t. mean?

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
41. You know what, RobinA
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jan 2015

I just reread it and wanted to tell you that I admit to not really knowing WTF he/her is trying to tell us.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
8. Sorry Delrem, I overreacted to your post. I get that what we have done
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:07 AM
Jan 2015

in the Middle East is horrific. And that any complaints we have may seem to pale by comparison.

But being trapped on an airplane is one of my biggest fears and I don't believe anyone, anywhere should be subjected to it for longer than absolutely necessary.

I also don't believe that anyone anywhere should ever have had to suffer from the terrible things we did to the Middle East (based upon obvious lies) and still are doing.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
11. It's incongruous. To the reality of what the USA is doing to the ME.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:11 AM
Jan 2015

There's not much more that I can say.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
13. That is true but it is another wrong being perpetrated
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:23 AM
Jan 2015

on humans. I maintain that allowing the small transgressions to pass by unnoticed lead to the horrific doings.

We need to speak up against inhumanity wherever and whenever it occurs. And this may not be a bid deal to you but I assure you, it is to others.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
27. What does the US 'war on terror' have to do with
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jan 2015

a stuck Etihad plane?

Its just typical 'mini-disaster, airline news... anything to sell... click throughs.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
12. Ah, yes. The nitpick.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:13 AM
Jan 2015

OK, for all those "foreigners", I'll include you! If you took affront!

jeez louise. Some posters are totally predictable.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
6. I wouldn't make it more than 3 hours without killing someone, so yeah I'd be headed to jail too
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:59 AM
Jan 2015

Overseas flights are a fucking pain in the ass. I live abroad so I end up having to take them if I want to go anywhere. In fact I'm headed south next week.

Realistically after 2 1/2 to 3 hours if the fog didn't clear they should remove everyone from the plane and let them back into the terminal, then feed them and let them use the regular bathrooms (not the shitty small ones on the plane) and stretch their feet. Bring in some cots and pillows and let the passengers rest if they are going to be stuck there. I know that most airports have these as a contingency for a variety of purposes.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
10. I really don't get why it is so difficult to make humane accommodations.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:04 AM
Jan 2015

And, I wouldn't treat animals like this either. Nothing should be forced to be cramped up for hours on end without a very valid reason.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
15. Apparently they said the terminal was full and other planes were in the same situation
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:31 AM
Jan 2015

I agree with you though. It was a bad situation all the way around.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
22. 7 year old kid crawls across dead family to escape plane wreck, makes her way to a house for help.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:14 AM
Jan 2015

From today's news.

I try to remember that some people may have it worse than I do that day.

How much money does one have to have to be inconvenienced on the tarmac of one of the most expensive cities in the world? Seems they could have bought a pillow and some water, slept or something. First class could have shared.

"Passengers said the flight crew told them the Abu Dhabi airport was too crowded with other stranded flights to allow them to get off the plane to wait.
...
The airline told The Associated Press in a statement that "unprecedented fog" had delayed flights, caused airport congestion and Flight 183 was one of the planes most affected."

An unprecedented weather event caused overcrowding. Possibly not in the terminal, but a bunch of jets rolling around on a foggy runway doesn't sound like a safe thing either, nor does letting the passengers off on the runway and telling them "good luck, the terminal is more or less thataway".

Pretty easy to armchair criticize their actions, but I have seen a busy airport get hit with a thick fog, and suddenly a lot of very deadly stuff can still be moving but without a really clear idea of what they are heading for.




 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
34. Yeah, that. <G>. I quit flying so many years ago I can't count. I very much like
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:15 AM
Jan 2015

driving in the car, meeting the people, touching what really goes on. And boats are great for getting around the ocean, and you get to meet some of the most interesting people. Though next time I am not joining the service just to get a cruise.

brooklynite

(94,604 posts)
24. I once sat on the tarmac at Dubai for 8 hours during a monsoon...
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jan 2015

...too many planes had diverted, and there wasn't room in the terminal. Somehow we survived.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. I sat on a JFK tarmac for 5-1/2 hours
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:37 AM
Jan 2015

after flying for 8 coming home from Paris (on a flight delayed leaving CDG 3 hours). MAJOR snowstorm the day before left the airport without enough personnel to deal with the international flights. They also couldn't take the luggage off the plane because they needed someone from Air France there for that and there was nobody. Didn't get my luggage until the following week when I went to JFK to get it - this is after flying business class. Yeah, we survived but it was a hellish trip (followed by no car services running at the airport and we had an industrious fellow charge us $90 apiece to get to Manhattan).

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
36. THAT is exactly my question.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:39 PM
Jan 2015

Airlines don't give a crap about their Flight Attendants but I can hardly believe that the Pilots were allowed to fly after such a delay.

I also never understand why an empty aircraft is not pushed off a gate, so that another can offload...at least the passengers that want can go home (if they are local).

In the U.S. there are finally regulations that will cost the airlines big money if they hold people too long (3 hours?)...they must be allowed off.

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