U.S. attorney general bans asset seizure by local police
Source: Reuters
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - State and local police in the United States will no longer be able to use federal laws to justify seizing property without evidence of a crime, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said on Friday.
The practice of local police taking property, including cash and cars, from people that they stop, and of handing it over to federal authorities, became common during the country's war on drugs in the 1980s.
Holder cited "safeguarding civil liberties" as a reason for the change in policy.
The order directs federal agencies who have collected property during such seizures to withdraw their participation, except if the items collected could endanger the public, as in the case of firearms.
Read more: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/u-attorney-general-bans-asset-seizure-local-police-195542428.html#GTJVTOc
Aristus
(66,388 posts)Let's see the Republicans try to oppose that!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 16, 2015, 10:22 PM - Edit history (1)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)which Bush created in 2008 because it was cheaper than the land line Reagan Phones
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Obamaphone has such a ring! No need to confuse republicans with facts.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Urgent Message For All Teapublicans
Dear Teapublicans,
Please be advised that your days of freedom are numbered now. In FACT the buses will be along in just 48 hours now to collect you from your homes and transport you to those FEMA death camps where you'll be forced to endure nonstop liberal propaganda and sharia law. You'll be put to work in chain gangs repaving roads and reparing bridges...
OMIT! OMIT!! OMIT!!!
Your homes and belongings will be redistributed amongst the union thugs who run the camps and your bibles will be used as fuel to heat those homes. You will endure psychologically scarring conditioning regimens to convert you into muslim atheists like Obama and you will all be given free cell phones whether you want them or not
bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=212590
I was on the Jury and voted to hide based on the omitted part. Someone made a thread on my response. Yes, I was infamous Juror #6:
Best Juror comment ever & possible questionable hide...
I've recently completed serving on a jury in which the alerted post was successfully hidden but now I'm wondering if I made a mistake in agreeing to vote to hide. I did a brief background check on the poster who was being jurified and only had the time to discover two other posts that were exactly the same as the one in question (and both had already been hidden by other juries), but after the results came back, I continued searching for the guy's other posts and found that I may have been mistaken in suspecting tea-thuggery tactics. An explanation given by another juror is what inspired me to dig a little deeper and has now caused me to be uncertain whether the right course of action was taken.
Here is that other juror's comment:
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said:
I'm laughing my ass off, but I guess this shouldn't be here. The guy has 7 posts, with 2 already hidden, a bragging profile and has got the wingnut dogma down pat.
I don't know why his other posts were hidden. Maybe he's drunk as a skunk tonight. Maybe he's a troll here to make DU looks bad to those who are lurking.
The use of the racist theme is the reason I'm voting to hide. If he'd used a icon I guess it would pass with an edit, but he really did say exactly what wingnuts believe. Still...
Other that that, I'm at this wingnut taunting post.
'Given free cell phones whether they want them or not.'
At the FEMA death camps. OMG.
*spits on monitor*
Reluctantly, I vote to hide.
The origin of the 'Obamaphone' slur is from a program in effect for decades to help battered spouses call for help when their partner is denying them access to the phone or leaving the house in order to call for help.
It's been used as a lifeline for homeless people. It's not a luxury item, only profressional Ignoratti (and their listeners) claim such. It has also been used as a racial slur with images of black women happy about getting a cellphone.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)anyone on SSI or something like that they should google and look into it if they are having a hard time.
VScott
(774 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)the elderly and disabled can get through Medicare and Medicaid. So not so free after all - actually a way to save money.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)burning rain
(4,393 posts)Even a number of Freepers approve of what Holder has done here! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3247644/posts
Jim__
(14,077 posts)Asset seizure, based on the fact that the cops felt like it, has always been pure bullshit.
2naSalit
(86,647 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)It is miracle Friday!
christx30
(6,241 posts)just because they haven't commited a crime?"
Yeah... I'm having a hard time finding a reason to be against this move. civil asset forfeiture was a terrible idea. Glad it's going away.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)RussBLib
(9,020 posts)as is the re-classification of marijuana from a Schedule I drug to a II or III, or hell, just remove it completely!
easychoice
(1,043 posts)then we can regulate Pot like we regulate lawn weeds.That is where it belongs.
Get it the hell off of any Federal or State Drug Schedule.
7962
(11,841 posts)I cant WAIT to send this to some of my friends who go on and on about how bad he is, but also cannot STAND the asset stealing.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)One even commenting "I cant believe it. Thats great"
I also commented that we now need to pressure the state and local govts to follow along on this.
I wonder why this came up like it did? I havent seen any news regarding this issue being brought to his attention
uhnope
(6,419 posts)I'm not sure, but the issue has really been in the news recently.
---
Okay I found this:
A leading House lawmaker asked Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Friday to provide an array of documents and data relating to the Justice Departments role in tens of thousands of cash and property seizures made in recent years by state and local police under federal civil asset forfeiture laws.
The request by Rep. F. James Jim Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.), chairman of the House Judiciary subcommittee on crime, terrorism, homeland security and investigations, is part of an inquiry into the billions of dollars in seizures made through the Justice Departments Equitable Sharing Program, the federal governments largest asset forfeiture initiative.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/house-lawmaker-questions-civil-seizures-in-letter-to-attorney-general-eric-holder/2014/10/24/f0f7a770-5b8b-11e4-b812-38518ae74c67_story.html
Yes--Holder replied to a GOP Congressmen on this issue! A GOP Congressmen who was doing the right thing! There is hope for America!!!!
I think that deserves a new thread
7962
(11,841 posts)Maybe I'll contact my GOP senators and representatives. Because thats all I have!!
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Here, this is related, has some seizure stuff too
http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2014/12/attorney-general-eric-holder-to-cleveland-police-department-youre-reckless-and-poorly-trained/
avebury
(10,952 posts)Warpy
(111,276 posts)The dirty secret is that town police departments have grown fat on forefeiture without charging anyone with a crime. Either the property owner has to pay them a large fee to contest having his property stolen or they get to keep and then auction off the property. It's why dinky suburbs like Ferguson can afford all that military hardware and riot gear.
This is the first step toward turning the police from a paramilitary organization whose enemy is the general public back into local cops.
Property forefeiture in the absence of a prosecutable crime is one of the worst ideas the fascists in this country ever came up with. It's a measure of how corrupt the USSC has been that it was upheld for so many years, even though it's in direct conflict with the Fourth Amendment.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Friday barred local and state police from using federal law to seize cash, cars and other property without proving that a crime occurred.
Holders action represents the most sweeping check on police power to confiscate personal property since the seizures began three decades ago as part of the war on drugs.
Since 2008, thousands of local and state police agencies have made more than 55,000 seizures of cash and property worth $3 billion under a civil asset forfeiture program at the Justice Department called Equitable Sharing.
The program has enabled local and state police to make seizures and then have them adopted by federal agencies, which share in the proceeds. The program allowed police departments and drug task forces to keep up to 80 percent of the proceeds of the adopted seizures, with the rest going to federal agencies.
With this new policy, effective immediately, the Justice Department is taking an important step to prohibit federal agency adoptions of state and local seizures, except for public safety reasons, Holder said in a statement.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)That is disgusting.
lark
(23,105 posts)They have been getting millions of dollars worth of high speed boats, nice cars and cash and now won't be able to get these nice toys anymore.
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)in my county. It was passed by the leglislature and he vetoed it after public outcry.
7962
(11,841 posts)We dont have those here. Is that like the chairman of the county or what?
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)http://thephoto-news.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150102/NEWS01/150109995/Public-rails-against-forfeiture
http://www.ocnydems.com/civil_rights
http://www.recordonline.com/article/20150112/Opinion/150119828
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Asset forfeiture for misdemeanors. What assholes. Good for the county executive.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)Where they've relied on the federal equitable sharing clause, they will no longer be able to get away with seizing the assets other than those which could be a danger to the public, i.e. weapons, etc.? I think that's what he just did, and I approve his actions if that's correct.
If you live in a state where they do not have laws allowing property forfeiture the moment they accuse you of a crime, then their shouldn't be loopholes to allow them a way around that.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)but whattabout the NRA??
Whattabout that gun company that moved its factory to a non-union state?
OH NOES....my head hurts.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Seems strange that local government, which has shown complete disregard for federal law wherever they can get away with it, has used it to seize property under the drug laws.
egold2604
(369 posts)Actually, there are enough state laws allowing asset forfeiture on the books. Now the state can keep it all.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)I was hoping for much more from Holder at the start, but soon came to wonder---Who is this idiot?
(BTW, same as I felt about Arne Duncan, Geitner, and a few other Obama appointees).
The (Bush-generated program) "Fast and Furious" BS was never a factor for me--That always smelled like
a classic GOP "dirty-trick" set-up, from a mile away.
I hated Holder's repeated busting of legal medical cannabis dispensaries in CA, and his big, backroom
deals with Wall St, letting big banksters off the hook, and, as our AG, helping establish the
"Too big to fail, too rich to jail" standard that ails the Nation now. Tragic, IMO.
At least this is a step in the right direction.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)mfr4
(4 posts)sheshe2
(83,791 posts)This is epic~
El Shaman
(583 posts)how are the cop deptermants gonna get doughnut & coffe money!!!?
valerief
(53,235 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)A lovely swan song if ever their was one.
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)Thank you, AG!!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)If forfeitures stop making departments money, the whole enforcement logic goes away.
Ramses
(721 posts)Obama and holder deserve full credit for this one. About time the 99% get some positive news.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Response to JDPriestly (Reply #49)
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PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Jhon Smith
(3 posts)Its A Great News
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)to light a fire under Holder's ass. The states need to get busy too.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/04/equitable_sharing_legalized_marijuana_and_civil_forfeiture_the_scheme_that.html
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)There was also a huge expose in the Washington Post in September.
I don't think anybody needed to "light a fire under Holder's ass." He's been pretty clear about getting rid of drug war excesses, whether its sentencing reforms, clemency, or letting the states experiment with pot legalization. He is by far the best AG when it comes to the drug war that we've seen in decades.
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)it's just frustrating that it took 6 years into a Democratic administration to take care of this thievery. As for Holder being the best AG for decades in the drug war? He's an improvement is the best I'll give him.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Police work 'ticket' quotas, and 'local fines' revenue streams need to be done away with also.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)(There probably will remain a problem of civil forfeiture without due process which may be done by state law alone.
Such violations of due process, being unconstitutional, need also to be eliminated to fully restore the constitutional rule of law.)
but this is a major step forward!