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maxrandb

(15,357 posts)
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:54 PM Jan 2015

Head count shows 'unusually high' discrepancies at charter schools (Ohio)

Source: The Columbus Dispatch

Nearly a quarter of the charter schools where state Auditor Dave Yost’s office did a head count had “unusually high” discrepancies between the number of students in school and the number reported to the state.

“I’m really kind of speechless at everything that I found. It’s quite a morass,” Yost said.

When auditors went unannounced into the Academy for Urban Scholars in Youngstown in October, they found zero students, when there were supposed to be 95. At six other schools, enrollment was 34 percent to 83 percent less than what was reported to the state.

“Clearly, a student cannot receive a quality education if they are not in attendance,” he said. “If a school is not providing a quality education, then we need to take a close look at that school and work with them to make sure they improve.”

Read more: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/01/22/auditor-charter-school-report.html



More Privatization of Profit and "Publicization" of risk from the GOP "Party of Personal Responsibility"

Dems need to get their shit together in Ohio. Repukes have complete and unchecked power in this once great state.

Edited to add the obvious - THE FUNDS RECEIVED BY CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE BASED ON THEIR NUMBER OF STUDENTS

It's good work if you can pay off the politicians to get it. Not to mention the conservative indoctrination you know is going to be mandated in these schools.

This country is fucked!
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Head count shows 'unusually high' discrepancies at charter schools (Ohio) (Original Post) maxrandb Jan 2015 OP
K & R mountain grammy Jan 2015 #1
Kasichs' cronies irisblue Jan 2015 #2
The concept of charter schools invites fraud. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #3
Fraud. That's the right word. mpcamb Jan 2015 #26
Got it right. Schooling is way too important to allow cons to plunder- what a country. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #34
What? A private industry ripping off a state! How could that be? Who sinkingfeeling Jan 2015 #4
Shocked! Schocked, I say ... aggiesal Jan 2015 #17
When it fills someone's pocket to lie, cheat, steal louis-t Jan 2015 #5
Dems are beginning to push charter schools on us too. nt F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #36
As a former fraud analyst riverbendviewgal Jan 2015 #6
What is the punishment for stealing from the government? BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #18
I live in Canada riverbendviewgal Jan 2015 #30
“Clearly, a student cannot receive a quality education if they are not in attendance,” progressoid Jan 2015 #7
Yes, but as another poster pointed out maxrandb Jan 2015 #38
You don't have to worry about the conservative indoctrination at the Academy of Urban Scholars. Hoppy Jan 2015 #8
LMAO maxrandb Jan 2015 #13
Quelle suprise. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #9
I predict this topic generates -2psi of poutrage on DU compared to "Deflategate". bluedigger Jan 2015 #10
Lifelong Buckeye here.... dawnie51 Jan 2015 #11
I hear the same about kindermarts in strip malls in MN, some under FBI investigation. They're appalachiablue Jan 2015 #35
Somewhere turbinetree Jan 2015 #12
2 of them in Indianapolis just announced they're closing ... butttttt .... Myrina Jan 2015 #14
Take a close look and see that they improve? Fuck them. theaocp Jan 2015 #15
Call this what it is ... aggiesal Jan 2015 #16
The students are in limbo, not back at the public schools. haele Jan 2015 #25
Charters schools are nothing but a RACKET. nt valerief Jan 2015 #19
What a weak asst statement... zeemike Jan 2015 #20
“Clearly, a student cannot receive a quality education if they are not in attendance” Demeter Jan 2015 #21
As I've said before Phlem Jan 2015 #22
+100 appalachiablue Jan 2015 #37
I'm a Buckeye too . . FairWinds Jan 2015 #23
Sounds like fraud, something that should land some people in jail you would think. nt cstanleytech Jan 2015 #24
Criminal fucks. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #27
... "work with them to make sure they improve" ... surrealAmerican Jan 2015 #28
You make a excellent point maxrandb Jan 2015 #32
Not to mention the conservative indoctrination you know is going to be mandated in these schools.YES lunasun Jan 2015 #29
These scams keep getting exposed, yet more public dollars are thrown away on them. Scuba Jan 2015 #31
They kick out the low performers after "the count" AwakeAtLast Jan 2015 #33

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. The concept of charter schools invites fraud.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jan 2015

People want to do good things. They think they can do good things. They pretend they did the good things. There are a lot of people who just can't admit to failure, a lot of crooks and between the two kinds of people, a lot of money is being wasted on charter schools.

Public school systems should allow for and implement more variety in the structure and offerings of their schools. But private charter schools are not the answer.

Liberalizing and permitting more innovation and experimentation in public schools is. The job of educating our young children is too important, too sensitive to entrust to private groups and individuals. And that much public money should not be put in the hands of private organizations.

sinkingfeeling

(51,474 posts)
4. What? A private industry ripping off a state! How could that be? Who
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jan 2015

could have guessed that there were people out there who would claim something false to get taxpayers' money?

aggiesal

(8,923 posts)
17. Shocked! Schocked, I say ...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:07 PM
Jan 2015

that there's gambling going on in this establishment.

Prefect Renault - Casablanca

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
18. What is the punishment for stealing from the government?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jan 2015

It should be very, very high. Does it come with criminal charges?

progressoid

(49,999 posts)
7. “Clearly, a student cannot receive a quality education if they are not in attendance,”
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:20 PM
Jan 2015

Are you fucking kidding? Charter schools have nothing to do with quality education.

Also, shouldn't this be turned over to the state Atty General? Looks like fraud to me.

maxrandb

(15,357 posts)
38. Yes, but as another poster pointed out
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jan 2015

turning this over to the AG means turning it over to Mike Dewine, an ass-hatted Repuke nutjob.

I weep for my home state. Ohio is now 100% run by the crazy ass T-bagging right and corporate Repukes. Dems better get their shit together in Ohio.

The Mega churches, T-baggers, corporate whores, gun nuts, and racist have teamed up to give Repukes a large un-checked majority to do whatever the fuck they want to do.

Sadly, this all goes back to 2010, where the Obama coalition stayed home and gave Repukes complete control following a Census year.

Let me say that again...by not supporting Democrats in 2010, REPUKES GAINED COMPLETE CONTROL FOLLOWING A CENSUS YEAR

Hmmmm, what happens after a Census? Could it be that district maps are re-drawn?

We fucked ourselves over for a generation....a generation that is going to be educated by Koch Brother teachers.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
8. You don't have to worry about the conservative indoctrination at the Academy of Urban Scholars.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jan 2015

Ain't nobody there to hear it.

dawnie51

(959 posts)
11. Lifelong Buckeye here....
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jan 2015

I have watched Republicans and the churches take over this state for the past 40 years. Sending this to the AG means Mike DeWine, who is as nasty a Rethug as they come. The whole state is run by Rethugs. Kasich will be on the short list for Vice President you can be sure. His buddies and contributors are the ones running these jokes for schools, most of them in abandoned strip mall storefronts in really bad neighborhoods. I agree with the last line in the post. This country is fucked!

appalachiablue

(41,172 posts)
35. I hear the same about kindermarts in strip malls in MN, some under FBI investigation. They're
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:20 AM
Jan 2015

cheap facilities, located next to a Subway or convenience store, teachers are unqualified and poorly paid, kids sit in front of a computer, there's no caf or caf lady. Deplorable. Sorry to hear about Ohio's entrenched RW political and church leadership. Great state, I lived on the Ohio River in WV.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
12. Somewhere
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jan 2015

We are all paying tax dollars for this scam called the "Charter Schools" in some form or fashion, from state to state and its about greed pure and simple.
Delaware, for example just had a reporting that two official's at a charter school had used "credit cards" which were suppose to be issued and used for the "charter school" they had been making car payments. Then when the state does an audit the charter school had no accountants to audit the books---I mean really, you just can't make this stuff up.
And the right wing wants to privatize our education for greed and let a corporation run the program and they want to dismantle the Department of Education---I mean really, we are now at 17 and falling, twenty years ago we were number 1.
And the right wing republicans say that the education department is a waste of tax payer dollars----my answer ------prove it, the facts speak otherwise


Myrina

(12,296 posts)
14. 2 of them in Indianapolis just announced they're closing ... butttttt ....
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jan 2015

.... ALEC/Koch-governor Pence announced almost at the same time that he's moving $50 MILLION from the general ed fund to further fund new charter scams, uh, I mean schools in the next year.


theaocp

(4,244 posts)
15. Take a close look and see that they improve? Fuck them.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jan 2015

If that fraudulent attitude were true, there wouldn't be fucking goddamn charters. They'd work with the public schools that needed the help to get them to improve. What an absolute pile of shit. Fuck charters through and through. Am I clear?

aggiesal

(8,923 posts)
16. Call this what it is ...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jan 2015

PROFITIZATION.

These charter schools know what they're doing,
those students don't exist.

They may have been there on the first day of school,
but have since gone back to public schools, but why
report it if we're making money solely on the number?

haele

(12,677 posts)
25. The students are in limbo, not back at the public schools.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:22 PM
Jan 2015

Depending on the state, they're not allowed to go on a public school ground if they're in charter school. Most likely, those students are hanging out during the day at the malls or the parks - or working under the table at "family" businesses or babysitting their younger siblings to help their families out.

There are a few "alternative" teacher-run or educational co-op type charters that are basically a home-school check-in/mentoring center where gifted or special needs students are allowed to show up for an hour or two a week to get assignments and hand them in - or sign up for field trips or lab time - but finding a good charter school that purports to use that model is very difficult, and not every student that is gifted or special needs will do well in those.

When the kidlet went to one of those a couple years ago, they let her slide into abject failure without attempting any counseling or intervention - and they were considered one of the best accredited charters that had arrangements with the local UC system to provide "hands on experience" for the education majors and TFA-bound students. She was genius-smart - but she suffered from severe depression, PTSD, and a particularly nasty streak of parental defiance - and she couldn't function without a strict rule-set to keep her focused. If she didn't do the work at the classroom with a dedicated teacher on hand to tell her what she wanted to hear and keep her from falling apart when things got a bit difficult, the work just would not get done - or would get forgotten or never turned in if she did manage to finish it.
Public schools couldn't handle her, and to do what was required for her to succeed at that charter - create an IEP and have her stick to it - would be too unprofitable for them.

However, if I had gone to a charter school like hers when I was her age, I would have graduated when I was 15 or 16.

Haele

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
20. What a weak asst statement...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:31 PM
Jan 2015

iff a school is not providing a quality education, then we need to take a close look at that school and work with them to make sure they improve.”

It is fraud stupid...Charging for services not preformed.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
21. “Clearly, a student cannot receive a quality education if they are not in attendance”
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jan 2015

Actually, a student MAY be receiving a better quality education by self-directed study. But that's no reason to throw money at any lying school.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
22. As I've said before
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:49 PM
Jan 2015

Charter schools only exist to take funds away from established brick and mortar schools. The war on education has been happening for quite some time.

But we're all to busy with making ends meet to pay attention to anything outside of our day to day because it's set up that way. Makes it impossible for most folks to pay any attention to anything unless it's a soundbite. Unaware that the future generation is being set up to fail.

Charter Schools = Corruption

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
23. I'm a Buckeye too . .
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jan 2015

And I have complete and total contempt for anyone
who steals money that is intended to go toward
the education of our children.
What utter scum they are.
Come on MadFloridian, help spread the word!!

surrealAmerican

(11,364 posts)
28. ... "work with them to make sure they improve" ...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jan 2015

... NO. You need to arrest the people in charge for fraud, and establish schools that children can actually attend.

maxrandb

(15,357 posts)
32. You make a excellent point
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jan 2015

Why is it that when a Public School is struggling or in terrible disrepair, the "wingnuts" first response is to trash the teachers, blame the unions, gnash their teeth about the children falling behind, and do all in their power to take even more money from education...and yet, when there is actual fraud at a Charter School, the response is; "well, we have to work with them to make them better"?

Could it be that when Public Schools are struggling, the teachers say; "hey, quit fucking cutting our funding to bare bones, and do your fucking job and fix the falling down schools" - and when a Charter School obviously screws over kids and the taxpayers, the Charter School say; "here, have a few million more in campaign donations...now run along"?

I'm thinking the answer to that is; Yes

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
29. Not to mention the conservative indoctrination you know is going to be mandated in these schools.YES
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:57 PM
Jan 2015

I hope people as taxpayers realize what is being taught as fact in these schools already in some states
Signed,
A parent who had to get the kids out of this madness
(yes it is costing us but would have cost our kids their critical thinking and logic skills)

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