Russian Credit Rating Lowered to Junk by S&P, Outlook Negative
Source: Bloomberg
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ruble was already taking s hit from this weekend's events. It spiked further on this. Now 68 rubles per dollar from 63.5 and 32 from a year ago.
Bad news Vlad.
riqster
(13,986 posts)"Whoever has the gold makes the rules".
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)but the question is: Who really DOES HAVE the gold?
blm
(113,065 posts).
freshwest
(53,661 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)Great...keep lowering the boom.....
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)That might have to go on hold for a couple of years.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)former KGB agent amass that kind of wealth, in such a short period of time?
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...like we've been doing for ages.
- Since the Chinese won't be lending to us much longer once the dollar crashes and burns.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...cornered animals can be very unpredictable...
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)China is providing an economic lifeline to Russia by boosting its imports of Russian oil, the Wall Street Journal reports.
Russias economy has deteriorated with the recent drop in oil prices and levying of sanctions from the West in response to the Kremlins destabilization of Ukraine. Moscow has now turned to Beijing for support despite their long-time rivalry:
Not a bad deal for China. Lock in Russia's oil long term at cheap prices while gaining financial clout over Putin.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)How about that, achieve total world dominance without so much as firing a shot...
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)old school bullets and drones method. Move war funding from the military-industrial complex to the financial sector. Now there's a shock.
The Green Manalishi
(1,054 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)it's all good!
drm604
(16,230 posts)Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)The 21st Century is badass.
blm
(113,065 posts)Didn't he?
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Putin is driving Russia into a giant ditch.
The worse the conditions and news = more crackdowns on gays, progressives, free press, and more warmaking on Ukraine to get his polls up.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)So maybe it'll take being in the ditch for them to wake up.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Yes, in the long-term it might help get rid of Putin, but then Russia will still be a basket case economically and in terms of human rights.
I'm just saying that though it's good in some ways for Putin to reap what he sows like this, it's sad for the Russian people, for gays and progressives and journalists in Russia.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)For the Russians, that is. By the time the deed is done, it'll be too late as their modern civilization collapses.
But some want a return to the days prior to the USSR itself, to theocratic feudalism, the real story behind the headlines. Just as the Koch/ GOP wants to return the USA, not to the era of the Constitution as first written, which is egregrious enough without the Amendments, but to the Articles of the Confederation.
Or better yet, a Mussolini style regime, with Stalinesque means. They're getting it by piecemeal.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)...
S&P, a unit of McGraw Hill Financial MHFI 0.20% , is trying to resolve lawsuits filed by the U.S. Department of Justice and more than a dozen states that accused it of inflating credit ratings to win more business from issuers.
It had previously been expected to pay slightly more than $1 billion to settle, another person familiar with the matter told Reuters last week. The final amount could fluctuate as more states sign on, that person said.
In a civil fraud lawsuit filed in February 2013, the Justice Department claimed that investors lost billions of dollars after buying mortgage-backed debt whose risks had been misrepresented by S&P.
The government said insured institutions had suffered more than $5 billion in losses, and sought to recoup that amount from S&P.
http://fortune.com/2015/01/20/sp-may-pay-1-5-billion-to-settle-mortgage-rating-lawsuit/
Standard & Poors, the credit rating agency blamed for helping inflate the subprime mortgage bubble, has now settled accusations that it orchestrated a similar fraud years after the bubble burst.
S&P, owned by McGraw Hill, has agreed to settle an array of government investigations stemming from 2011, paying nearly $80 million, federal and state authorities announced Wednesday. As part of the deals, reached with the Securities and Exchange Commission and the attorneys general in New York and Massachusetts, S&P agreed to take a one-year timeout from rating certain commercial mortgage investments at the heart of the case, an embarrassing blow to the rating agency.
Investors rely on credit rating agencies like Standard & Poors to play it straight when rating complex securities like CMBS, Andrew Ceresney, the SECs enforcement director, said in a statement, referring to commercial mortgage-backed securities. But Standard & Poors elevated its own financial interests above investors by loosening its rating criteria to obtain business and then obscuring these changes from investors.
http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/S-P-to-pay-nearly-80-million-to-settle-fraud-6030672.php
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)rating.
Like they're some neutral agent.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Why is what they say deserving of attention anymore anyway?
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Mr Zhou also advocated a more active Chinese participation in the setting of international rules. He said the existing playbook had been made by developed Western countries and developing nations had no choice but to follow these rules.
However, China's population and economic size now demanded it be heard on the international stage.
The report also took a snipe at the big three agencies' role in the global financial crisis, criticising their triple-A rating of subprime mortgage products as "modern financial magic".
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/china-takes-on-the-big-three-ratings-agencies-20120124-1qexw.html
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)It really is hard to argue that investing in Russia is a good idea, so it was inevitable that a downgrade would happen.
Now a lot of funds that are not allowed to invest in junk must divest. Snowball effects coming.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)with a slap for their own fraud.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...fuckers....
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Yours is a creative allegation based on little more than post hoc ergo prompter hoc...
lovuian
(19,362 posts)declared
Economic Sanctions are declarations of war
Japan took it that way in WWII
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Was the ruble taking a shit or just a hit? I guess either way works...
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)I left it partly out of laziness and partly because it is also sensible!
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)it last April to one notch above junk. I can't think of any economy that's in good shape. Russia and China have formed a joint credit rating agency soon to be functional. This rating by S&P is a political move from a less than credible agency in the first place.
http://defence.pk/threads/china-and-russia-to-launch-new-credit-rating-agency-in-2015.353559/
Developed economies are often given a free credit rating pass, whereas developing economies are assigned more risky ratings, the RusRating analyst said.
UCRG was officially created in June 2013 by Chinas Dagon, Russias RusRating and America's Egan-Jones Ratings. Each member will hold an equal share in the venture, with an initial investment of $9 million
Sgent
(5,857 posts)Credit ratings are only relevant to the people who listen to them (large mutual funds, hedge funds, etc.). Just because China and Russia form a ratings agency, doesn't mean anyone cares. If for instance a pension fund is required to hold investment grade bonds as rated by Moody's, S&P, Lippor, etc., a Chinese ratings agency rating them investment grade won't mean anything to investors outside China.
That being said, I could see such an agency, over time and assuming no political interference, being very useful in rating debts originating in those countries, such as debt for a road, sewage and water improvements, local corporations, etc. S&P et al don't rate most of those issues, and it could be a very good thing overall for price transparency and risk management.
Sovereign debt will still be rated by the big boys, and the only difference a Chinese / Russian rating agency can make is if they get someone to listen to them.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)going to be very interesting to watch how the economic alliances pan out. (I also wonder if lost little lamb Greece will be lured by the BRICS to jump the EU ship.)
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...who rated subprime deriviatives as a ''buy'', so anyone who listens and decides where to invest based on what these assholes say, must be an idiot or as crooked as they are.
- Fuck 'em.