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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:55 PM Aug 2014

Alternet: The decline of liberalism threatens secularism in America

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/decline-liberalism-threatens-secularism-america

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August 26, 2014

Liberalism as we know it—the body of thought that gave rise to the idea that a government of the people for the people is a worthy experiment—is under assault. Secular Americans be warned: the collapse of liberalism will mean the collapse of secularism. Let me explain.

Christian totalitarians seek to transform America’s secular democracy into a tyrannical theocracy. From Oklahoma to North Carolina, from Kansas to Kentucky, state legislatures have been turned into theocratic test tubes, and now we helplessly watch Frankenstein’s monster hatch.
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Alternet: The decline of liberalism threatens secularism in America (Original Post) LiberalElite Aug 2014 OP
I noticed some years ago that fundamentalist thinking seems to be growing worldwide newthinking Sep 2014 #1
Big Brother/Corporate Fascism and the shadowy, extreme far rightwing Washington DC "Church" known blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #2
Sorry, but liberalism is not waning, we just don't get the press like the other side. Hestia Sep 2014 #3
Sorry, but liberalism is waning. JayhawkSD Sep 2014 #4

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
1. I noticed some years ago that fundamentalist thinking seems to be growing worldwide
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:28 AM
Sep 2014

I is surprising as I would have thought the opposite would be occurring.

Maybe a reaction to all the change around us? Not sure. But many of the institutions, especially but not confined to religious institutions, were less inclined to literalism 30 years ago.


 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
2. Big Brother/Corporate Fascism and the shadowy, extreme far rightwing Washington DC "Church" known
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:16 AM
Sep 2014

as "THE FAMILY"/"THE FELLOWSHIP" that houses Senators (D) and (R) at the "Frat House for Jesus" on C Street.


"THE FAMILY: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power," by Jeff Sharlet (c) 2008 Harper Collins Books

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
3. Sorry, but liberalism is not waning, we just don't get the press like the other side.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:05 AM
Sep 2014

The more educated you are, more than likely you are of a liberal mindset. It is the very reason to cut funding for education via the other side. They think that no one will be aware of their crimes if they aren't studied. As if...

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
4. Sorry, but liberalism is waning.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:43 PM
Sep 2014

Using Social Security as an example, there is no liberal discussion on that subject.

The world changes and the needs that the program serves change. So the program needs to be revised from time to time, and over time it has been, and more often than not that change has been an enlargement of the program --- by liberals.

Today we have two sides, so called conservatives who want to cut the program, and so called liberals who want to keep it the same.

But those who want to cut it are seeking to return to a previous social order and are actually, by definition, reactionaries; those who want to keep it the same are actually trying to maintain the existing social order, which makes them by definition conservatives. Liberals, if there were any, would be trying to increase the resources of Social Secuity in order to make it better able to serve the needs of its entitled beneficiaries. If there is any such argument being made, it is in volume so small as to be invisible.

"Liberalism as we know it—the body of thought that gave rise to the idea that a government of the people for the people is a worthy experiment" is a rather lovely ideal, but one must remember that it gave birth to that thought because it was a mind set of open mindedness, of openess to new ways of thinking and new ideas.

What passes for liberalism today is very closed minded, rejecting any ideas which are not its own and any thought which disagree with the thoughts being expressed by its present members. Thus the term for anyone expressing divergent thoughts as "right wing troll," a term which yesterday's liberal would be incapable of using.

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