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flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:11 PM Sep 2014

The Hostage Situation That Keeps Turkey From Going After Islamic State

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-02/islamic-state-holds-turkish-diplomatic-hostages-as-a-hedge-against-intervention-by-its-powerful-neighbor

* I think there is more to the story than the hostages but they really had to kept this quiet. Turkey has been making money selling and buying from Isis and have so far not stemmed the tide of recruits using their border crossing.

The rise of the jihadist Islamic State in Syria and Iraq has affected both the economy and security of its powerful neighbor Turkey. Yet Turkey has not taken the fight to the militants. A prolonged hostage crisis is a big part of the reason. In early June, when the militants overran Iraq’s second-largest city, Mosul, they also took over the Turkish consulate there, capturing 49 people including the consul general and three children. Within days, Turkish media outlets were banned from reporting on any developments in the crisis. The hostages remain captive.

“It is very difficult now for Turkey to manage the situation,” says Yasar Yakis, a former foreign minister. “Its hands are tied. Especially after the execution of [the American journalist James Foley] it has become all the more difficult to do something which Islamic State might perceive as a wrong move.” On Tuesday, the militants claimed to have beheaded Steven Sotloff, another U.S. journalist they were holding as a “second lesson to the United States.”

Turkey officially labels Islamic State a terrorist group, but Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who was elected president in August after more than a decade as prime minister, has been reluctant to label the organization as such. At the end of June, shortly after the militants captured the consulate, he warned Turkish media and the political opposition not to pressure him into making “provocative statements regarding this group.” Ahmet Davutoglu, the newly appointed prime minister, more recently referred to Islamic State as “a radical organization with a terrorist-like structure.”

STORY: Islamic State's Risky Business
That organization with a terrorist-like structure has set up shop just over an hour away by car, across the Syrian border, from Turkey’s Gaziantep province, a booming export hub in the country’s south. The war in Syria had already made a dent in the local economy, cutting off Turkish traders from markets in Jordan, Lebanon, and the Persian Gulf. A month after Islamic State overran Mosul and other Iraqi cities, the province’s exports to Iraq fell 48 percent compared with last year’s figures, according to Gaziantep’s chamber of commerce.
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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. These journalists, mostly freelance, going into war zones and getting kidnapped is a real problem.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:23 PM
Sep 2014

Maybe they should not be going and then being used as propaganda pawns and holding whole nations at bay when they get predictably taken hostage.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
2. These are officials and their families so it's not quite the same
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:33 PM
Sep 2014

The journalists know the risk but it's not that common for officials to be kidnapped. Well not that common, okay it's kind of common in the Middle East!

I guess they had no warning.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. My point is that in taking that risk journalists are risking the national security of their nations.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:35 PM
Sep 2014

Turkey case in point, and America also.

Journalists kidnapped get a lot of publicity from the journalist heavy free press.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
4. Are you talking about this case at the Turkish consulate or the journalists?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:45 PM
Sep 2014

In the case of the consulate it's a big deal to withdraw all consul officials, but maybe that should happen all over Iraq at this point.

quote:
In early June, when the militants overran Iraq’s second-largest city, Mosul, they also took over the Turkish consulate there, capturing 49 people including the consul general and three children. Within days, Turkish media outlets were banned from reporting on any developments in the crisis. The hostages remain captive.

I recognize Bob Dobbs? Church of the Subgenius?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. Holy hostages, Batman....49 hostages remain in captivity?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:49 PM
Sep 2014

How in holy hell is this not well known in America, it is shocking and so relevant to the current situation?

K and R'd.

Back on topic.

I guess what I am rather badly trying to communicate is that hostages are of great value to terrorists, Hamas holding one Israeli soldier being an example, journalists making themselves so available as hostages is an unnecessary risk to them and to their country if they land in the lap of terrorists.

And they have that special cachet of being journalists and so they will more likely get the other thing they need..publicity. So journalists are prized hostages.

I think Turkey was not so wrong in not publicizing this so much and giving them that publicity...a thing that American media will never stop doing endlessly.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. I suspect a lot of things that don't feed the circuses at home who want bombing are like this.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:15 PM
Sep 2014
This is going on behind the scenes. These are real people. Real lives are at stake. That is vastly more important than cheap thrills for an audience who wants a dramatic show.

I read a post here the other day suggesting Turkey was not doing anything to help with ISIS and that may be why this is being released, to let Americans know they are in danger.

Remembering the Iranian hostage crisis where Carter tried to do a covert rescue:

Operation Eagle Claw

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Eagle_Claw&printable=yes

That was not a simple mission and some veterans use the term SNAFU. 'Normal' being the key word there.

I doubt Turkey has the military ability to rescue the hostages and no one will be able to do so until ISIS is driven back. But just as in the Iranian attempt, they scattered hostages to prevent another attempt and ISIS would do that, too.

IIRC, Israel has been the only nation to suceed at a large hostage rescue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe

In that article, we see how complex the rescue was after negotiations failed and how difficult it was to get neighboring regions to help. I suspect that nations who could help Turkey are just as conflicted and not free to do much of anything.

Not being able to do things doesn't mean they don't want to do it. In the aftermath of Entebbe, Uganda's Idi Amin had the Kenyan man who persuaded them to allow air space, killed and then the PLO bombed a hotel owned by a Jewish man.

These things don't go by nation state boundaries. We're a bit hide bound when we talk about how this nation or that nation is the 'enemy' or 'victim' or whatever we want to call them. It's very much connected.

Turkey is a member of NATO and howled long and hard, not without justification, for other NATO members to do something about what was going on in Syria.

So they are in a bind. I hope these people are not being abused and that they will eventually be able to return home. That's more important than media ratings or things to use politically.

JMHO.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. The thing is this is old news in the rest of the world, Turkey has been negotiating for 2 months.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:33 PM
Sep 2014

There were dozens of Turkish truckers caught by ISIS that were let go after a few days with no demands...a lot of stuff happened over there that the American mass media silenced in the homeland.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. No. American media is doing its job for its owners, to get a GOP win in November.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:54 PM
Sep 2014

We assist their mission every time we bash the Democrats, and we aren't even getting paid. I'd say those Citizens United bucks are doing well.

It'll be 'how he take a vacation while the world burns,' tan suits and why isn't he bombing them every day until they win.

Or lose...

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
9. Interesting that this might have been released to show their position
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

as you say. They really are looking like part of the problem since the majority of Jihadis are using their border crossing. Plus, they have a good size military.

But I do think it's a bit deeper, I don't know the local politics going on regarding Isis support but they are making money selling to Isis in Syria and apparently buying oil from them

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