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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:16 PM Sep 2014

Russian Military Denies Presense of 4 Army Battalions in East Ukraine

18:52 17/09/2014

MOSCOW, September 17 (RIA Novosti) - Allegations by NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe Philip Breedlove of the deployment of four Russian army battalions in eastern Ukraine are frivolous and inexcusable for a professional military officer, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry said Wednesday.

"Four regular army battalions with all heavy equipment is not a needle in a haystack," the spokesman said in a statement.

"Such allegations by a many-star general, who backs his claims only by his own 'suppositions,' are frivolous, to say the least," the official said.

"This could be excusable for retiring politicians but not for military professionals," he added.

Addressing the audience at the US Atlantic Council non-governmental think-tank, Breedlove has claimed that the elements of at least four Russian battalion task groups remained in Ukraine's Donbas area fighting on the side of independence supporters.

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140917/193028549/Russian-Military-Denies-Presense-of-4-Army-Battalions-in-East.html

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Russian Military Denies Presense of 4 Army Battalions in East Ukraine (Original Post) Purveyor Sep 2014 OP
It Is Like Listening To A 'Golden Oldies' Station On The Radio, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #1
"It Is Like Listening To A 'Golden Oldies' Station On The Radio" lol Purveyor Sep 2014 #2
Now That, Sir, Deserves A Sound-Track.... The Magistrate Sep 2014 #3
Nope. They're just on vacation. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #4
Denials are cheap. Igel Sep 2014 #5
The key words are "elements of" The Traveler Sep 2014 #6

The Magistrate

(95,249 posts)
1. It Is Like Listening To A 'Golden Oldies' Station On The Radio, Sir
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:24 PM
Sep 2014

I appreciate the audacious insolence of Russian propaganda, and always have, in the same spirit one appreciates the bite of blue cheese on a hamburger or in a salad, or a table lamp in the shape and colorings of Canadian Mountie....

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
2. "It Is Like Listening To A 'Golden Oldies' Station On The Radio" lol
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:44 PM
Sep 2014

That most definitely sums up your postings, indeed.

Time to change the station.

See ya!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,189 posts)
4. Nope. They're just on vacation.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:12 PM
Sep 2014

Who wouldn't want to go to war-torn Donetsk these days for a little R and R?

Igel

(35,337 posts)
5. Denials are cheap.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:40 PM
Sep 2014

Esp. when so many prefer to believe that particular side. Whether for love, money, or ethanol. Or just because that's how their brains were hardwired in their youth and they fear change. Sort of arch-conservatives.

 

The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
6. The key words are "elements of"
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 05:42 PM
Sep 2014

Elements of at least four Russian battalion task groups ... hmmm. What does that mean, General Breedlove?

An "element" could be a sniper unit, an infantry squad, an artillery unit, a medical corps unit, material transport unit, etc. The phrase "element of" is relatively useless to us as citizens trying to assess the actual degree of involvement by the Russian Federation on the ground in these matters. It does not characterize the operational nature of the incursion. That nature could range from humanitarian relief to precision assassination ... but we cannot discern that from what we have been told in that statement.

Similarly, the denial of the Russians is useless. Breedlove never accused them of moving entire battalions, and their heavy equipment, into Ukraine. Russia's denial could still be "true", even if four platoons of elite snipers have been deployed to take out a list of inconvenient Ukraine citizens. Putin is not known for being all warm and fuzzy, thus I would be more prone to believe "elements" are more likely to be snipers than medics.

Beware the fog of war, friends. There is much about this situation, and how it developed, that we as citizens simply do not know with any reliable accuracy. Indeed, if I were Barack Obama, I would be very thorough about vetting the accuracy of the intelligence estimates cross my desk right about now.

Trav

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