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undeterred

(34,658 posts)
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:19 PM Sep 2014

The US is now involved in 134 wars or none, depending on your definition of 'war'

The White House spent much of last week trying to figure out if the word "war" was the right one to describe its military actions against the Islamic State. US Secretary of State John Kerry was at first reluctant: "We're engaged in a major counterterrorism operation," he told CBS News on Sept. 11. "I think war is the wrong terminology and analogy but the fact is that we are engaged in a very significant global effort to curb terrorist activity... I don't think people need to get into war fever on this. I think they have to view it as a heightened level of counter terrorist activity."

Kerry said similarly hedgy things during interviews on CNN and ABC. By the next day, the Obama administration appeared more comfortable with the word war, yet hardly offered any more clarity. White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters, "The United States is at war with ISIL in the same way we are at war with Al Qaeda and its affiliates."

The problem is that our traditional definition of "war" is outdated, and so is our imagination of what war means. World War II was the last time Congress officially declared war. Since then, the conflicts we've called "wars" — from Vietnam through to the second Iraq War — have actually been congressional "authorizations of military force." And more recently, beginning with the War Powers Act of 1973, presidential war powers have expanded so much that, according to the Congressional Research Service, it's no longer clear whether a president requires congressional authorization at all.

The recent US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will likely be the last time, in the foreseeable future, that the United States wages war in the way that's most familiar to us: a lot of combat troops on the ground in a foreign country with lots of money and support and an ostensibly achievable objective. US troop presence in Iraq peaked at 187,900 in 2008. In Afghanistan, it peaked in 2010 at 100,000. On paper, it looked like the United States was fighting two wars. But the reality was much more complicated, and it's only gotten more complicated.

So how many wars is the US fighting right now? (TOO MANY!)

Read more: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/war/140911/the-us-either-134-wars-or-none-depending-your-definition-war

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The US is now involved in 134 wars or none, depending on your definition of 'war' (Original Post) undeterred Sep 2014 OP
Well, let's get beyond the semantic niceties. JayhawkSD Sep 2014 #1
Only 134?!?! blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #2
We are not at war in 62 countries out of 196 undeterred Sep 2014 #3
World Supremacy and Eternal Empire doesn't come on the cheap, you know. libdem4life Sep 2014 #4
 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
1. Well, let's get beyond the semantic niceties.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:00 AM
Sep 2014

The United States is dropping bombs, firing rockets, and killing people in miscellaneous ways in at least eight nations in an ongoing and fairly indiscriminate manner at this point for reasons that defy definition. No other nation is killing on anything even close to the scale in which we are doing it, and we have no intentention of stopping it at any point in the forseeable future.

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