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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 06:56 PM Feb 2015

Pilot's brutal killing divides Jordanians over ISIL war


Jordan's political divide over the war on ISIL is growing deeper.

Areej Abuqudairi | 04 Feb 2015 07:48 GMT | Middle East, ISIL, Jordan

Amman - As Jordan is weighing its options to respond to the brutal killing of pilot Moaz al-Kassasbeh who was burnt alive by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), the Jordanian public has become increasingly divided over the country's continued participation in the anti-ISIL coalition.

On Tuesday night as mourners gathered in the capital Amman and Kassasbeh's home province of Karak following the news of the pilot's death, protesters clashed over Jordan's role in what they say is an increasingly costly war.

"We have no business in the coalition, it is the US [leading it]," said one of the mourners. His comments triggered clashes among the crowd. "We do not fear death or terrorists and we stand by the monarchy," added another.

King Abdullah II cut short his visit to the White House in the US and called for unity through a televised speech. "It is the duty of every Jordanian man and woman to stand together and show the mettle of the Jordanian people during hardships, which only make us stronger," the king said in a televised address to the nation.

in full: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/pilot-brutal-killing-divides-jordanians-isil-war-150204070735691.html
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Pilot's brutal killing divides Jordanians over ISIL war (Original Post) Jefferson23 Feb 2015 OP
IMO the local people in Iraq and Syria are going to have to CJCRANE Feb 2015 #1
Hope's a hard thing to kill Warpy Feb 2015 #2
CNN has already pronounced that all Jordanians are fully behind escalating war with ISIS, Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #3
It should not be surprising there is not a complete consensus in agreement..CNN Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #4
True. CNN is as good at leaving stuff out as Fox is at making stuff up. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #5
Yep, CNN has a documented history of it, and worse..quite frankly. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #6
Ahhh, so because CNN doesn't hold the same opinion as you and Fred, GGJohn Feb 2015 #7
They don't have an obligation to present to the US audience what is contained in this OP? Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #8
Read the rest of the post. GGJohn Feb 2015 #9
Yea, and ? They don't have an obligation to present dissent when it exists? Your post makes no Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #10
Not upset, just letting you know that those of us that GGJohn Feb 2015 #11
On Jordan, the reports are inaccurate..it is foolish to believe they are entirely unified. Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #12
Stay worried? About what? The 2nd Circuit? GGJohn Feb 2015 #13
BTW, GGJohn Feb 2015 #14
I already asked you, unless you can prove al jazerra falsified Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #15
Another source. GGJohn Feb 2015 #16
I post an OP that states not everyone is in agreement and you post accusations of memes Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #18
I post a link to MSNBC saying the same thing as CNN, GGJohn Feb 2015 #19
Lawsuit is settled? No, not even close. Best you wait to declare victory. Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #20
Pissed off? Nope, not even close. GGJohn Feb 2015 #21
Do you know what a quote is? I suspect this escapes you, as well as the fact the Bushmaster Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #22
Officially over? Not yet, GGJohn Feb 2015 #23
I appreciate the kicks you gave the OP. It would never have been at the top of the page Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #24
Trying to figure out why you think I'm a pissed off guy? GGJohn Feb 2015 #25
Posters here don't generally come into a thread and claim victory when there is none Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #27
Got to get up early with the cows tomorrow, GGJohn Feb 2015 #26
What makes you think Al-Jazeera did an honest report? GGJohn Feb 2015 #17
The good people of Jordan and all othe countries shoul be working to annihilate this group. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #28
...^ that 840high Feb 2015 #29

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
1. IMO the local people in Iraq and Syria are going to have to
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 06:59 PM
Feb 2015

turn against ISIS. That's the best course of action.

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
2. Hope's a hard thing to kill
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:05 PM
Feb 2015

and I think many hoped (as I did) that ISIS would manage to draw sensible borders in the region that reflected both tribes and sects. Unfortunately, they've been showing themselves to be nothing but a bunch of kill crazed criminals who hate anyone who isn't them.

However, we do need to remember that for every outsider they slaughter, they're killing a hundred more in the region without regard to sect or nationality, simply because they can, and because they have decided to fight a war without limits of any type.

Hope's a hard thing to kill, but I think their savagery is making it fade pretty quickly.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. CNN has already pronounced that all Jordanians are fully behind escalating war with ISIS,
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:10 PM
Feb 2015

over there in some other countries, so someone is clearly propagandizing the whole affair.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. It should not be surprising there is not a complete consensus in agreement..CNN
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:25 PM
Feb 2015

does what they do best..leave stuff out.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. True. CNN is as good at leaving stuff out as Fox is at making stuff up.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:27 PM
Feb 2015

There was no consensus in Jordan before all hell broke out, there is still none now....CNN is especially good at leaving history stuff out.

For example, they are today leaving out the Jordanian pilot was killed a month ago.

"We do not fear death or terrorists" said the Jordanian man....unlike some countries I know of.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
7. Ahhh, so because CNN doesn't hold the same opinion as you and Fred,
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:16 PM
Feb 2015

then they're wrong. Got it.
Truth is that just about all of the Islamic world has now turned against ISIS and because that doesn't fit your meme, then all the evidence is wrong.

BTW, how's that lawsuit against Bushmaster going?

Seems that the plaintiff's have suffered a HUGE set back when the defendants had it moved to the Federal Court system, you know, the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals which has a solid history of dismissing frivolous lawsuits against firearms manufacturers.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. They don't have an obligation to present to the US audience what is contained in this OP?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:19 PM
Feb 2015

I don't have a meme.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
10. Yea, and ? They don't have an obligation to present dissent when it exists? Your post makes no
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:31 PM
Feb 2015

sense and unless you can post where this OP is falsifying statements.....CNN is not presenting all of it.

The Koskoff case has you really upset or you wouldn't have brought it up here.

Good, stay upset.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
11. Not upset, just letting you know that those of us that
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:35 PM
Feb 2015

said it would fail seem to be right.
Just about every news org. is saying the same thing, that ISIS really fucked up this time and have united the ME against ISIS.
There may be a smidgen of dissent, but for the most part, the ME countries are now condemning ISIS, who is now in deep shit and probably going to be destroyed because of their barbaric killing of this Jordanian pilot.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
12. On Jordan, the reports are inaccurate..it is foolish to believe they are entirely unified.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:39 PM
Feb 2015

They are not and a news organization is suppose to state what is said..all of it, does not
matter to what degree.

Seem to be right about Koskoff? Not yet your not. Stay worried.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
13. Stay worried? About what? The 2nd Circuit?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:45 PM
Feb 2015

The same 2nd Circuit that has a solid history of dismissing frivolous lawsuits against firearms manufactures due to the PLCAA?
Not worried at all, this is going to be dismissed.
Care to place a bet?
Now, on Jordan, the King, upon return to Jordan, was received very positively by the citizens lining the roadway urging him to wage unrelenting war on ISIS and increasing their participation of the coalition.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
15. I already asked you, unless you can prove al jazerra falsified
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:51 PM
Feb 2015

this OP, the report from CNN is not accurate. You have any evidence of what this meme is I have? No. You're
trolling here, same as the Koskoff nonsense you added.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
18. I post an OP that states not everyone is in agreement and you post accusations of memes
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:59 PM
Feb 2015

and bring up a thread from mid December about Koskoff and the gun lawsuit..and I'm the
one with an agenda??

We're done here..you have no evidence this OP is inaccurate...CNN does leave out information. Does not
matter to what degree there is dissent..it exists, they are suppose to know that and report it.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
19. I post a link to MSNBC saying the same thing as CNN,
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:03 PM
Feb 2015

and for some reason, you choose to ignore it. Hmmm, why is that?
I brought up the Koskoff lawsuit to show that you've been wrong before and are wrong about this also.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
20. Lawsuit is settled? No, not even close. Best you wait to declare victory.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:07 PM
Feb 2015

OP misquoted and falsified statements? NO..you have nothing to verify that.

But you are one pissed off guy...that much is clear.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
21. Pissed off? Nope, not even close.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:12 PM
Feb 2015

Lawsuit is, for all intents and purposes, done for, the 2nd Circuit will dismiss it under the auspices of the PLCAA.
As far as the Al-Jazeera article? Why do you believe it over the rest of the news org?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
22. Do you know what a quote is? I suspect this escapes you, as well as the fact the Bushmaster
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:17 PM
Feb 2015

lawsuit is not over..sorry.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
23. Officially over? Not yet,
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:22 PM
Feb 2015

but for all intents and purposes, yes it is, the 2nd Circuit is well known for dismissing frivolous lawsuits against firearms manufacturers under the auspices of the PLCAA, that's why the defendants had the lawsuit transferred to the federal system.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
24. I appreciate the kicks you gave the OP. It would never have been at the top of the page
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:28 PM
Feb 2015

so often without you. When the lawsuit is over, and if they lose, then you declare victory...that's
how it works.

If you're not a pissed off guy, you could have fooled me.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
25. Trying to figure out why you think I'm a pissed off guy?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:34 PM
Feb 2015

What would lead you to believe that I'm pissed off?
After 40+ years in the Army, very little pisses me off anymore.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
27. Posters here don't generally come into a thread and claim victory when there is none
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:41 PM
Feb 2015

about a completely different topic that took place almost two months ago..unless they're
harboring resentment. Your argument against the OP was bogus too and began with
accusations of memes by myself and Fred.

That pretty much sums up your contributions here, I feel.

Have a good evening.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
17. What makes you think Al-Jazeera did an honest report?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:55 PM
Feb 2015

You seem to think all the others aren't honestly reporting the uniting of the Arab world, so why would you pick out the only news org. that is saying something different?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
28. The good people of Jordan and all othe countries shoul be working to annihilate this group.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:02 AM
Feb 2015

They are without conscience, they live to hate and control everyone and everything. If Jordan gives up the fight and all other countries they will take over Jordan. We can not stick our heads in the sand on this group.

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