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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 12:35 PM Feb 2015

Hailed as a Model for Successful Intervention, Libya Proves to be the Exact Opposite--The Intercept

Hailed as a Model for Successful Intervention, Libya Proves to be the Exact Opposite
By Glenn Greenwald

When Saddam Hussein was captured in 2003 by U.S. forces, Iraq War advocates boastfully celebrated the event as proof that they were right and used it to mock war opponents (Joe Lieberman and John Kerry, for instance, gleefully exploited the event to demand that Howard Dean admit his war opposition was wrong). When Muammar Gaddafi was forced by NATO bombing in August 2011 to flee Tripoli, advocates of U.S. intervention played the same game (ThinkProgress gleefully exploited the occasion to try to shame those who objected to the illegality of Obama’s waging the war even after Congress voted against its authorization: as though Gadaffi’s fleeing could render legal Obama’s plainly illegal intervention).

Once Gadaffi was brutally killed by a mob, advocates of intervention threw a giddy party for themselves, celebrating their own rightness and righteousness and declaring Libya a model for future Western interventions. Upon Gadaffi’s fleeing, The New York Times, which editorially supported the war, published a front-page article declaring: “U.S. Tactics in Libya May be a Model for Other Efforts.” While acknowledging that “it would be premature to call the war in Libya a complete success for United States interests,” the paper noted that events had given “Obama’s senior advisers a chance to claim a key victory for an Obama doctrine for the Middle East that had been roundly criticized in recent months as leading from behind.”

Leading war advocates such as Anne-Marie Slaughter and Nick Kristof celebrated themselves as humanitarian visionaries and chided war opponents for being blinkered and overly cynical about the virtues of American force. British and French leaders descended upon Libya to strut around like some sort of conquering heroes, while American and Canadian officials held pompous war victory ceremonies. Hillary Clinton was downright sociopathic, gloating and cackling in an interview when told about Gadaffi’s death by mob: “We came, we saw, he died.” Democratic partisans were drowning in similar bravado (“Unlike the all-hat-no-cattle types we are increasingly seeing over there, [Obama] may take his time, but he does seem to get his man”).



From the start, it was glaringly obvious that all of this was, at best, wildly premature. As I wrote the day after Gadaffi fled, the Democratic claims of vindication were redolent in all sorts of ways of war hawk boasting after Saddam was captured, and were just as irrational: “the real toll of this war (including the number of civilian deaths that have occurred and will occur) is still almost entirely unknown, and none of the arguments against the war (least of all the legal ones) are remotely resolved by yesterday’s events.”

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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/16/hailed-model-successful-intervention-libya-proves-exact-opposite/

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Hailed as a Model for Successful Intervention, Libya Proves to be the Exact Opposite--The Intercept (Original Post) KoKo Feb 2015 OP
You break it...you bought it. Such hubris and poppycock. I used to think we were doing libdem4life Feb 2015 #1
Breaking up nations is the point of it. What happens next is someone else's opportunity to make a leveymg Feb 2015 #3
Yep...calling Halliburton to "rebuild" what we tore down. Good point. Full employment libdem4life Feb 2015 #4
Mideast Wars - Jobs programs for billionaires leveymg Feb 2015 #5
OMG...Americans should be bombarded with photos like this, because if we don't see it, it libdem4life Feb 2015 #6
Humanitarian war is an oxymoron. No amount of double-think can change that. leveymg Feb 2015 #2
Clinton and Petraeus may have aimed the gun, but Obama pulled the trigger. Maedhros Feb 2015 #7
Give Obama credit for firing Petraeus and graciously accepting Hillary's resignation. leveymg Feb 2015 #8
Petraeus should have been shown the door the day after inauguration in 2009. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #9
Does Greenwald ever do anything other than Monday morning quarterback? Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #10
He wrote extensively about Libya in 2011. deurbano Feb 2015 #11
Now he can start writing about Russia's "intervention" in Ukraine in 2015 Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #15
Does the government ever accept legitimate public criticism of its stupidity and incompetence? nt bemildred Feb 2015 #12
Sure...One of the many benefits of our free press... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #16
Snow-wald is not the one fucking up this country. bemildred Feb 2015 #17
Putin is also Ukraine and NATO's problem Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #18
We have a free press? Doctor_J Feb 2015 #21
Nightmare. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #13
the 2011 Perpetual MiddleEast War .. quadrature Feb 2015 #14
A shithole full of squabbling warlords. What's not to like? n/t eridani Feb 2015 #19
what I don't like is... the conflict in Libya, triggered the mess in Syria ... quadrature Feb 2015 #20
Those are the Facts.......yet our MSM refuses to Confront our Policy for Revisionl... KoKo Feb 2015 #22
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
1. You break it...you bought it. Such hubris and poppycock. I used to think we were doing
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 12:39 PM
Feb 2015

Empire, but we're not. Empire occupies and controls. We just want a shiny new military base or two and let them clean up the political, social, civic mess we created. Good luck, y'all.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. Breaking up nations is the point of it. What happens next is someone else's opportunity to make a
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 12:53 PM
Feb 2015

killing and a billion bucks.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
4. Yep...calling Halliburton to "rebuild" what we tore down. Good point. Full employment
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 12:59 PM
Feb 2015

for the MIC.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. Mideast Wars - Jobs programs for billionaires
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 01:12 PM
Feb 2015

Burial plan for millions.

Aid program in action - Wadi al-Salaam, Iraq

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
6. OMG...Americans should be bombarded with photos like this, because if we don't see it, it
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 01:23 PM
Feb 2015

doesn't exist. Even our own soldier's coffins. God forgive us, if possible.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. Humanitarian war is an oxymoron. No amount of double-think can change that.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 12:50 PM
Feb 2015

It was never really about saving lives - mass death, terrorism, and blowback are just acceptable costs attendant to serial regime change. From Iraq to Libya to Syria to Paris to ????, the creation and spread of ISIS was foreseen and considered acceptable to the neocons.

Thank you Hillary Clinton and David Petraeus. True humanitarians, tried and true.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
7. Clinton and Petraeus may have aimed the gun, but Obama pulled the trigger.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 01:43 PM
Feb 2015

What lovely Democrats they are!

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. Give Obama credit for firing Petraeus and graciously accepting Hillary's resignation.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 02:20 PM
Feb 2015

Petraeus, who was the most forceful advocate of regime change within the Administration, was fired in the most emphatic way.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
10. Does Greenwald ever do anything other than Monday morning quarterback?
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 05:34 PM
Feb 2015

Fuckboy never has shit to say before or during a crisis, but he *always* has his "I told you so" column later...

He can keep trying to duck the issue as long as he can, but sooner or later he's going to have to write something about Russia other than how happy Snowden is living his life there....

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
15. Now he can start writing about Russia's "intervention" in Ukraine in 2015
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 12:32 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Mon Feb 23, 2015, 09:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Or perhaps Greenwald sees that as a "good" example, not worthy to report on?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
16. Sure...One of the many benefits of our free press...
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 12:34 PM
Feb 2015

Snow-Wald's buddy Putin has been the one killing off investigative journalists...

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
17. Snow-wald is not the one fucking up this country.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 12:39 PM
Feb 2015

Our politicans are. Putin is Russia's problem, ours is assholes like McCain and his ilk.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. Putin is also Ukraine and NATO's problem
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 09:35 PM
Feb 2015

And Snow-Wald are (indirectly) fucking up the country by sharing secrets with the FSB as Russia advances militarily and portraying the U.S. as some "great satan" while turning a blind eye to Russia/China/Brazil...

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
21. We have a free press?
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:45 PM
Feb 2015

And here I thought 99% of Big Media was owned by the same few who profit from the foreign policy "mistakes"

Thanks for clearing that up

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
20. what I don't like is... the conflict in Libya, triggered the mess in Syria ...
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 09:26 PM
Feb 2015

and other places.

Syria
hundreds of thousands are dead
millions of refugees and IDPs

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
22. Those are the Facts.......yet our MSM refuses to Confront our Policy for Revisionl...
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 08:40 PM
Feb 2015

but, then, we are involved with Eurozone and Cross Culteral Aims along with Resources Sharing.

Wall Street, and Mega Corporations and the rest.

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