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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 07:22 PM Mar 2015

"No Irish Need Apply": the fake sign at the heart of a real movement

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/17/8227175/st-patricks-irish-immigrant-history


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When politicians or others refer to "No Irish Need Apply" signs that used to hang outside businesses, here's what they're saying: every new immigrant group that's come to the United States has faced discrimination from natives. But over time, the immigrant group has fought back against discrimination and won, and has assimilated into broader American society — to the point that it becomes hard to imagine they ever would have been oppressed to begin with.

As it was with the Irish in the 19th century, the story implies, so it will be with Latino and Asian immigrants today. So when people celebrate St. Patrick's Day, they're celebrating the triumph of Irish immigrants and Irish Americans over prejudice — and the eventual triumph for immigrants of every group."
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"No Irish Need Apply": the fake sign at the heart of a real movement (Original Post) LiberalElite Mar 2015 OP
I was raised to identify with the immigrant story via my Irish ancestors... Hekate Mar 2015 #1
My Grandfather Once Told Me It Was So Leith Mar 2015 #2

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
1. I was raised to identify with the immigrant story via my Irish ancestors...
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 07:45 PM
Mar 2015

...with whom my mother identified much more keenly than she did with our English ancestors.

And as Irish Americans continue to identify with the story the sign represents, it's made them a continued ally for immigrants — both Irish and not — straight through to the 21st century.

We all have mythologies; they live in us and we in them. I'm always interested in "the truth," but which truth? A mythology isn't necessarily a lie, but as we live in our myths like a fish in water that doesn't know what water is, self-awareness is helpful.

As remembered stories go, it's not a bad one, especially if it encourages earlier immigrants to ally with the struggles of newer immigrants in a helpful way...

Leith

(7,809 posts)
2. My Grandfather Once Told Me It Was So
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:34 AM
Mar 2015

He was a Boston Irishman of immigrants. However, he was also the sort who would spin a tale to impress a granddaughter and exaggerate how rough it he had it.

The biggest difference is that the Irish and other Europeans could assimilate much more easily than people with African or Asian origins. It's almost impossible to tell somebody's European country of origin. A Russian woman told me once that I was the doppelganger of a friend of hers back home in Moscow. How can you look at someone and say for sure that he or she is Scandanavian or Italian?

People from more distant areas don't have that advantage. One glance and many people automatically peg them as "others" and treat them as such. There may have been a few isolated cases of "No Irish Need Apply" signs, but Japanese internment camps and hundreds of years of slavery are real.

It's sad that people make snap judgments based on a quick glance. We must expand our circle of people we call "our own" because they are.

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