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TexasTowelie

(112,448 posts)
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:59 PM Mar 2015

'The Fourth Reich': What Some Europeans See When They Look at Germany

May 30, 1941 was the day when Manolis Glezos made a fool of Adolf Hitler. He and a friend snuck up to a flag pole on the Acropolis in Athens on which a gigantic swastika flag was flying. The Germans had raised the banner four weeks earlier when they occupied the country, but Glezos took down the hated flag and ripped it up. The deed turned both him and his friend into heroes.

Back then, Glezos was a resistance fighter. Today, the soon-to-be 93-year-old is a member of the European Parliament for the Greek governing party Syriza. Sitting in his Brussels office on the third floor of the Willy Brandt Building, he is telling the story of his fight against the Nazis of old and about his current fight against the Germans of today. Glezos' white hair is wild and unkempt, making him look like an aging Che Guevara; his wrinkled face carries the traces of a European century.

Initially, he fought against the Italian fascists, later he took up arms against the German Wehrmacht, as the country's Nazi-era military was known. He then did battle against the Greek military dictatorship. He was sent to prison frequently, spending a total of almost 12 years behind bars, time he spent writing poetry. When he was let out, he would rejoin the fight. "That era is still very alive in me," he says.

Glezos knows what it can mean when Germans strive for predominance in Europe and says that's what is happening again now. This time, though, it isn't soldiers who have a chokehold on Greece, he says, but business leaders and politicians. "German capital dominates Europe and it profits from the misery in Greece," Glezos says. "But we don't need your money."

Read more: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-power-in-the-age-of-the-euro-crisis-a-1024714.html

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'The Fourth Reich': What Some Europeans See When They Look at Germany (Original Post) TexasTowelie Mar 2015 OP
People I was working with in Denmark, when Denmark was voting about joining the EU, djean111 Mar 2015 #1
That article doesn't make sense at all. DetlefK Mar 2015 #2
Wow! that tax evasion/avoidance is very right-wing! Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #3
So many horrible responses. Igel Mar 2015 #4
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. People I was working with in Denmark, when Denmark was voting about joining the EU,
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 04:01 AM
Mar 2015

were adamant that Denmark keep its own currency, because they did not want Germany to be in charge of their currency.
So far, Denmark has not switched to the Euro.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. That article doesn't make sense at all.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 04:59 AM
Mar 2015

So, the weak european economies don't like Germany because it dictates policies without actively trying to do so and accordingly only pays its share.

The article demands that Germany stop dithering around, take up the mantle of leader of Europe and become more generous.

See why this is weird? Fourth Reich here, Fourth Reich there, but Germany should totally behave like a Fourth Reich.






The article demands that Germany shows generosity towards the weak economies, which translates to giving them money without assurances that there will be structural reforms.

* How come, this is the first time since the crisis that Greece is seriously trying to tackle the rampant tax-evasion???
Because they have no choice left.
* Would Greece have cut down its enormous and corrupt bureaucracy without outside-pressure? No. Greece would have tried to spend its way out of the self-manufactured crisis with other people's money.
* What happened when a DVD with the names of greek tax-evaders was passed to the greek government? It was redacted to protect the well-connected.

The article demands that Germany becomes the leader of Europe.
- The other european countries won't like that.
- Germany would have to pay more to Europe. German voters don't care about european dominance, so they wouldn't support that.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
4. So many horrible responses.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:40 PM
Mar 2015

Ranging from "He's 93 and can't stop reliving traumatic battles from his past. Get him treated for PTSD."

To "They don't need the German's money? Fine, give it back." Except by "We don't need your money" Glezos is saying, "We don't need any more of your money--but what we have, we're not giving back."

For him it's a dignity thing. It's the same problem as in the Weimar Republic. They were defeated and lost but didn't perceive themselves as having lost. Therefore agreements that the politicians entered into voluntarily are agreements foisted upon them and to be rejected, with a sense of humiliation and combativeness to regain lost dignity--in their own eyes, but also in the eyes of others.

It's also the same problem in parts of Central Europe.

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