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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:01 PM Mar 2015

Obama Says U.S. Won’t Rule Out Withholding UN Support for Israel

Mar 24, 2015 3:31 PM EDT

(Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama refused to rule out the possibility of allowing a Palestinian push for statehood through the United Nations as part of a U.S. reassessment of its approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

“We’re going to do that evaluation,” Obama said at a news conference in response to a question on whether he would consider supporting Palestinian statehood at the UN. “We’re going to partly wait for an actual Israeli government to form.”

Such a move would represent a major shift in U.S. policy and trigger new tensions with Israel and between the Obama administration and Congress.

While other administration officials have said the U.S. would reevaluate its stance after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he won’t support the creation of a Palestinian state anytime soon, Tuesday’s White House news conference marked the strongest indication from the president of his intentions.

Obama’s comments also indicated that the administration plans to keep up pressure on Netanyahu, who has backed away from his original statements, made last week just before Israeli voters went to the polls.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-24/obama-says-netanyahu-remarks-on-peace-talks-dangerous-for-region

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Obama Says U.S. Won’t Rule Out Withholding UN Support for Israel (Original Post) Purveyor Mar 2015 OP
Good, do the right thing and spank that little fucker, wish we could spank every single republican NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1
The End Game is Palestine is then officially recognized as a Soverign State instantly by 100+ nations..... Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #2
and when the sovereign state is approved Mosby Mar 2015 #14
Right. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #15
Sure! Badass Liberal Mar 2015 #19
What did Netanyahu think our president would do after he swore that there'd be NO Palestinian State BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #3
My guess is that Netanyahu was betting on Obama's caving in. He did cave in on too Cal33 Mar 2015 #8
Agreed..... Eric Stratton Mar 2015 #16
Veeeeery simple: DetlefK Mar 2015 #4
Three months? He's had his chance for years. brush Mar 2015 #6
HOLY SHIT. The Stranger Mar 2015 #5
dear mr. president, Colorado Vince Mar 2015 #7
We have also been protecting Israel ... staggerleem Mar 2015 #9
Allowing a censure would be a good start ut oh Mar 2015 #10
It does us little good to keep supporting a country who wants war with its neighbors and wants to craigmatic Mar 2015 #11
And....really.... Eric Stratton Mar 2015 #17
Israel and the US have been losing UN votes 172 to 2 MaxRobes Mar 2015 #12
Cut off all funding to the ungrateful, spying, GOP-collaborating backstabbers! dee_dee_st_martin Mar 2015 #13
Agreed..... Eric Stratton Mar 2015 #18
I hope they do. Only way to have a Palestinian state really... Helen Borg Mar 2015 #20

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. The End Game is Palestine is then officially recognized as a Soverign State instantly by 100+ nations.....
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:05 PM
Mar 2015

Will Israel abide the world rule of law and opinion, or extend Gaza Prison to all of not already yet Annexed or Occupied Palestine?

Or would Obama inching toward also recognizing, on behalf of America, that Palestine is an official Soverign nation also make Obama appear or be made to appear "lawless" and "caving to the lawless U.N., in the eyes and minds of Iowa and New Hampshire 2016 Republican Presidential primary?

That is always the math to be applied by the GOP and Fox and CNN - the MSM is just standing back in admiration at the latest brazen attempt at totally determining the easily led American "public opinion", as Netanyahu so famously phrased it years ago, so easily swayed into any desired opinion - again.

So soon after the last brazen attempt?!

Mosby

(16,363 posts)
14. and when the sovereign state is approved
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:10 PM
Mar 2015

All the Palestinian "refugees" around the middle east will be relocated to Palestine and the UNRWA will be dissolved.

Right?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
3. What did Netanyahu think our president would do after he swore that there'd be NO Palestinian State
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:07 PM
Mar 2015

as long as he's PM?? Jeezus! Netanyahu said it publicly for all to hear (and translate). It made the U.S. look like fools for believing that Israel under Netunyahu would continue to work in order to see a peaceful two-state resolution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. Now Netanyahu basically said that Israel's been leading the U.S. around by the nose.

That statement is a slap in the face of the U.S. taxpayer and the U.S. president, and Netanyahu can't be allowed to sweep that damaging statement under the rug and hope we'll forget.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
8. My guess is that Netanyahu was betting on Obama's caving in. He did cave in on too
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 03:28 PM
Mar 2015

many demands of the Right-Wingers in his first 6 years as president. Seems to have changed recently.
This must have been a big surprise - if not complete shock - to Netanyahu.

Eric Stratton

(19 posts)
16. Agreed.....
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:59 AM
Mar 2015

that little bastard annoys me like Joe Pecci in Good Fellas.....loud annoying obnoxious and giving his "friends" all kinds of trouble by his mouth and his aggressive provocative antics. Great movie and so cathartic and justifiable when the Joe Pecci character finally got his comeuppance.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. Veeeeery simple:
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:11 PM
Mar 2015

Give Netanyahu 3 months to lay out his suggestions for the foundation of a future palestinian nation alongside Israel. If he's really for a Two-State-solution, he won't have problems coming up with a plan.

Note:
Going first in negotiations is good because you can set a baseline that the others will subconsciously adhere to.
Going first in negotiations is bad because now the others know what's important to you.

brush

(53,876 posts)
6. Three months? He's had his chance for years.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 02:28 PM
Mar 2015

Now, with his "no two-state" solution statement and the "Arabs are voting statement", and the country of Israel re-electing him on the heels of those statements, they have to live with openly choosing apartheid and what comes from blatant, in-your-face racism.

Netanyahu outsmarted himself by underestimating Obama. I think he'll regret it and I hope our president puts his feet to the fire by allowing the Palestinian statehood resolution through the UN.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
9. We have also been protecting Israel ...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 04:27 PM
Mar 2015

... from Security Council censure at the UN via our Permanent-Member veto power. It might be a better idea to simply allow one of those censure votes to pass. That will send a pretty strong message to Bibi.

The major question Netanyahu has to answer right now is "WHEN were you lying, and WHO were you lying to?" The question of whether or not the man is a liar has been settled, as he cannot possibly negotiate a 2-state solution in good faith if he is totally opposed to the concept of a 2-state solution. So, Benjy, baby, were you lying to the Israeli right when you said there would NEVER be a 2-state solution as long as you are PM, or have you been lying to the rest of the world for years, by allowing negotiations toward a solution that you have no intention of accepting?

ut oh

(899 posts)
10. Allowing a censure would be a good start
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:17 PM
Mar 2015

though I really think we need to stop financially supporting Israel. They're doing fine financially and we could better use the money in the U.S. I understand a lot of American citizen would not agree, but there seems to be no other way to make the Israeli government know that what they are doing is WRONG.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
11. It does us little good to keep supporting a country who wants war with its neighbors and wants to
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:25 AM
Mar 2015

drag us into war with Iran. With friends like this who needs enemies?

Eric Stratton

(19 posts)
17. And....really....
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 02:07 AM
Mar 2015



what is it that Israel does for the US? Nothing. They have their hand deep in the pocket of the American Tax Payer for their very existence and for what benefit? Nothing. There is nothing that "independent state of Israel" does for anyone outside its borders.....and they are a problem and provoke problems.

That bastard comes and gives a speech and claims to be among the "American Family".....while shooting off his mouth? And, demanding money and support like a drunk derelict belligerent spend-thrift entitled prodigal son of Prescott Bush. There isn't another American protectorate that behaves so unreasonably and if Americans tolerate that then you can expect Philippine Islands to attack Japan and Costa Rica to attack Mexico.

Why not the benevolence.....and ignorance.....of the GOP is bottomless.
 

MaxRobes

(89 posts)
12. Israel and the US have been losing UN votes 172 to 2
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:37 AM
Mar 2015

or something close to that. Anyone who thinks that is a sustainable thing is sorely mistaken. Maybe it is time Israel lost a few votes 173 to 1. Some attitude adjustment is required somewhere, somehow. Maybe this would be the smelling salts needed at the moment.

13. Cut off all funding to the ungrateful, spying, GOP-collaborating backstabbers!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:36 AM
Mar 2015

I've got nothing against Jewish people, but the nation of Israel is based on racism. They have a history of spying on us while taking our money, and this last stunt by Netanyahu and the republican party was the last straw. Not one more dime for the state of Israel!

Eric Stratton

(19 posts)
18. Agreed.....
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 02:16 AM
Mar 2015



And....exactly how is it that America, a nation that claims "Religions Freedom and Tolerance" as a foundational principle is the primary sponsor and protector of a Nation State founded on one religion and intolerant and hostile to other religious faiths.

The GOP is fighting and supporting a religious proxy war against Islam and just like the "Cold War" against communism that had its front in Germany and Korea and Cuba. In this religious war Israel is the ground zero.

America should cut all direct ties to Israel that exist beyond the United Nations. Israel is plotting with the GOP to start the next World War just as George Bush coordinated the illegal attack on Iraq without the support of the UN.
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