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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 01:20 AM Apr 2015

Sanctions-Strapped Russia Outguns the U.S. in Information War

The troubled U.S. agency responsible for delivering news around the world is being outgunned in Eastern Europe by Russian outlets unrestrained by notions of fact-based journalism.

The unequal competition raises fears among U.S. officials that Moscow is winning the information war about events in Ukraine, even as the Russian economy staggers under economic sanctions imposed after the takeover of Crimea.

“Russia has engaged in a rather remarkable period of the most overt and extensive propaganda exercise that I’ve seen since the very height of the Cold War,” Secretary of State John Kerry told a Senate subcommittee in late February. It’s “spending hugely on this vast propaganda machine,” he told another panel the same day, and it’s succeeding “because there’s nothing countering it.”

“You have your truth, I have mine, there is no truth.”
Stephen Blank

Not literally nothing. Up against Russia 24, Rossiya 1, Russia K, First Channel, Sputnik and other around-the-clock operations, are new U.S.-sponsored Russian-language offerings including, “Current Time,” a newscast of just 30 minutes beamed into Eastern Europe on weekdays. The Voice of America show, co-hosted from Washington by Natasha Mozgovaya, is part of $23.2 million in programming aimed at Russian speakers. That comparatively small sum is up 49 percent from last year, according to Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland.
Russia Spending

How much Russia spends on its information programs is difficult to pin down, but in the face of sanctions forcing cuts elsewhere, President Vladimir Putin pledged to increase budgets for state-run outlets and cultural outreach. He said outlays for Rossotrudnichestvo, an organization devoted to spreading knowledge of Russia and its values abroad will rise from $60 million to $300 million by 2020.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-02/sanctions-strapped-russia-outguns-the-u-s-in-information-war

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Sanctions-Strapped Russia Outguns the U.S. in Information War (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2015 OP
Lying more won't get you a bigger audience. nt bemildred Apr 2015 #1
If the lies are what people want to believe, it will. Igel Apr 2015 #6
Right, and that audience does not increase because you lie more. bemildred Apr 2015 #8
Does Bloomberg have any clue what they're talking about? MattSh Apr 2015 #2
Except they are state-run propaganda mills, not legitimate news outlets. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #3
No. bemildred Apr 2015 #4
And we've seen the effectivness of that campaign right here on DU Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #5
. Purveyor Apr 2015 #7

Igel

(35,356 posts)
6. If the lies are what people want to believe, it will.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 03:02 PM
Apr 2015

And many lies are what people want to believe.

If Russia's not involved in the Donbas, then it's a local issue. If Germans don't want to get involved, it lets them off the hook: If Russia's actively invading, then there's more pressure to support "international" law since it's what they've placed their confidence in to defend them against aggression. If it's an entirely internal issue, then it's internal and it would be inappropriate to intervene.

That means Germans have a bias, a conflict of interests. If they assume that Russian media are as fact-based in ideals if not always in practice as Western sources, then they can posit a kind of equivalency and pick what they want. If they think Russian media continues the century-long history of waging agitprop campaigns against its own population as well as external populations, then there's a big difference between the sources.

Substitute any group you want for "Germans."

A very good one would be "Russian-speakers outside of Russia." They pattern like Russians and have nearly absolute confidence that what Russian-language TV and radio tells them is the absolute truth. Why? Because the media tell them they're wronged, victimized, but great and proud and ultimately superior. And it keeps them entertained. Nobody wants to be told that what they thought of as good was actually evil--look at the long road rewriting American history has had to travel with how interventions in S./Central America are perceived. Russians still almost entirely believe that they did only good in their former colonies and territories and deeply resent being told otherwise. It's like finding a group of Americans who know about the US interventions in Mexico and resent that these aren't interpreted as the acts of love and mercy that they truly were, and are shocked and humiliated to find that they've been misrepresented as self-serving acts by America for corporate interests. Then realizing that the group of Americans you've found is 95% or more of the entire American population.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
8. Right, and that audience does not increase because you lie more.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 03:14 PM
Apr 2015

Rather the opposite, when you overdo it or become too overt you get noticed and your usefulness declines. The law of diminishing returns applies. We are aready well into that phase, which is why they are whining about how ineffective our present effort is. People stop listening, and you can't make them.

But you will always wind up in that place if you make a habit of lying, the Russians will too, they did before.

It is quite true that both sides lie their asses off, maybe Iceland doesn't much, but some are much better at than others, and one thing the guys that are good at it do is minimize their distortion of the facts.

Or as I put it: Bullshit will only take you so far.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
2. Does Bloomberg have any clue what they're talking about?
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 09:39 AM
Apr 2015

Those stations the story mentions are Russian domestic stations. Just like Fox, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc, are US domestic news stations. Is Bloomberg suggesting that the USA should set up the equivalent of Fox, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc, all in Russian just so Russia can get more news in Russian from American sources than they can get from Russian sources?

I guess if the US can't bomb Russia into submission, they'll go ahead and spend the USA into submission instead...

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. Except they are state-run propaganda mills, not legitimate news outlets.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:14 AM
Apr 2015

None of them has the credibility that even Fox has.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. No.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:08 AM
Apr 2015

They are useful for News, at times, but other times they just spew bullshit like it was golden. It all depends. What I recall is that in the usual news story of theirs I post there would be a few nuggets of useful information embedded in a whole bunch of slanted crap.

But that is true most places and sometimes the nuggets were pretty good.

You have to remember that news these days is about 80% infotainment, because the business model is all advertising, they never get enough from subscriptions and street sales. It's all about attracting "views".

And unless they have their own sources, as many if not most do not these days, it's all second hand, which is one reason you see many versions of the same story pop up at once on your news feed.

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